1 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:22,420 [Music] 2 00:00:35,710 --> 00:00:33,910 December the 1st 2018 we'll see issue 17 3 00:00:38,530 --> 00:00:35,720 about all in this magazine published 4 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:38,540 have you subscribed yet if not you'll be 5 00:00:44,860 --> 00:00:40,970 missing out on the following madam it 6 00:00:47,830 --> 00:00:44,870 passes aware mj-12 hooks is real 7 00:00:49,660 --> 00:00:47,840 evidence being hidden why UFOs could not 8 00:00:52,390 --> 00:00:49,670 be entirely explained by human 9 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:52,400 technology to lots of photographic 10 00:00:57,940 --> 00:00:54,890 evidence are examined will you revisit a 11 00:01:00,220 --> 00:00:57,950 classic UFO encounter from Greece 100 12 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:00,230 years after the armistice we take a look 13 00:01:05,130 --> 00:01:02,690 at the angel of Mons a real-life 14 00:01:08,590 --> 00:01:05,140 abduction case in they came in the night 15 00:01:11,410 --> 00:01:08,600 the greys revealed Peter Robbins 16 00:01:13,930 --> 00:01:11,420 remembers our life and UFOs and he 17 00:01:17,590 --> 00:01:13,940 thinks about booed up khun's life on 18 00:01:20,620 --> 00:01:17,600 Mars the road to Pascagoula a research 19 00:01:23,070 --> 00:01:20,630 trip from 1981 which is a review of this 20 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:23,080 classic abduction with new 21 00:01:29,830 --> 00:01:26,690 never-before-aired information the Kari 22 00:01:32,199 --> 00:01:29,840 Island UFO from Ireland in November 2018 23 00:01:34,630 --> 00:01:32,209 we bring you the latest information on 24 00:01:38,710 --> 00:01:34,640 the new case subscribe now and do not 25 00:01:41,919 --> 00:01:38,720 miss out NAMP only here for UK or $12 26 00:01:44,620 --> 00:01:41,929 for us plus a peer pal fee for six 27 00:01:48,279 --> 00:01:44,630 issues a year subscribe at the magazine 28 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:48,289 website Chris zero five nine seven dot 29 00:01:54,070 --> 00:01:53,090 Wix site comm forward 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00:05:34,500 --> 00:05:31,060 we'll see you there hello everyone and 116 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:34,510 welcome to what is the very first inside 117 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:38,650 our limits sure I'm in December it's all 118 00:05:44,250 --> 00:05:40,810 ready for Christmas and of course with 119 00:05:45,930 --> 00:05:44,260 me as always is my co-host Philip mantel 120 00:05:47,909 --> 00:05:45,940 how you feel how you doing good evening 121 00:05:50,580 --> 00:05:47,919 Chris I'm fine thank you here in sunny 122 00:05:54,060 --> 00:05:50,590 Pontefract sunny Pontefract it's been 123 00:05:56,630 --> 00:05:54,070 thrown it down all day absolutely awful 124 00:05:59,159 --> 00:05:56,640 I bet you've had the same absolutely 125 00:06:00,630 --> 00:05:59,169 absolutely another gentleman who can 126 00:06:04,380 --> 00:06:00,640 actually aim and I'm using the word 127 00:06:06,060 --> 00:06:04,390 gentleman loosely here of course another 128 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:06,070 gentleman who can confirm it's been 129 00:06:10,170 --> 00:06:08,050 thrown it down all day in holy said he's 130 00:06:12,210 --> 00:06:10,180 our guest this evening the mister Mike 131 00:06:14,790 --> 00:06:12,220 Koval hi Mike how are you doing good 132 00:06:15,990 --> 00:06:14,800 evening Omari thanks gents a bit wet you 133 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:16,000 happy where have you been out and about 134 00:06:20,100 --> 00:06:18,490 in it today Mike numerous school runs 135 00:06:22,590 --> 00:06:20,110 and Christmas shopping and all the rest 136 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:22,600 all right right so you all ready for 137 00:06:28,860 --> 00:06:25,810 Christmas just about yeah all right 138 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:28,870 better than me then I mean this is gonna 139 00:06:33,420 --> 00:06:30,610 be an interesting show in it tonight 140 00:06:35,070 --> 00:06:33,430 gentlemen I mean three Yorkshire lads in 141 00:06:36,719 --> 00:06:35,080 one go I mean anybody outside of 142 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:36,729 accounts you might be looking for their 143 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:38,890 for their Yorkshire dialect dictionary 144 00:06:45,719 --> 00:06:43,330 tonight especially two lads from the 145 00:06:49,530 --> 00:06:45,729 east the east of the county as well and 146 00:06:51,150 --> 00:06:49,540 one from the West well you know you blow 147 00:06:52,620 --> 00:06:51,160 mom it that's what I say if I can't 148 00:07:00,150 --> 00:06:52,630 understand as this you come and join us 149 00:07:02,550 --> 00:07:00,160 right Mike Koval is a noted author in 150 00:07:04,709 --> 00:07:02,560 fact he's is actually released how many 151 00:07:08,349 --> 00:07:04,719 books is it now Mike about 28 152 00:07:10,779 --> 00:07:08,359 twenty-eight yeah yeah Wow good heavens 153 00:07:13,659 --> 00:07:10,789 you must be prolific you ever see your 154 00:07:14,379 --> 00:07:13,669 family at all yeah I mean my office is 155 00:07:17,199 --> 00:07:14,389 in my house 156 00:07:19,959 --> 00:07:17,209 so all right right okay Ross perhaps 157 00:07:23,049 --> 00:07:19,969 occasionally yeah what was the first 158 00:07:25,749 --> 00:07:23,059 book you released Mike all good 159 00:07:30,249 --> 00:07:25,759 questions the mathlete magic mystery was 160 00:07:33,939 --> 00:07:30,259 the it was a true crime book it was 161 00:07:37,869 --> 00:07:33,949 self-published and it was weird because 162 00:07:39,579 --> 00:07:37,879 I self-published four books and this guy 163 00:07:40,929 --> 00:07:39,589 rang me up and he was from a production 164 00:07:42,489 --> 00:07:40,939 company in LA and he said I've 165 00:07:44,709 --> 00:07:42,499 downloaded your book and I've been 166 00:07:46,809 --> 00:07:44,719 reading it and I loved it and I want to 167 00:07:48,579 --> 00:07:46,819 make it into a movie and and there have 168 00:07:51,639 --> 00:07:48,589 you got any more manuscripts I sent him 169 00:07:55,539 --> 00:07:51,649 a few manuscripts and he read him and he 170 00:07:58,600 --> 00:07:55,549 bought the rights to four books three of 171 00:08:01,029 --> 00:07:58,610 them added not even published insulin I 172 00:08:04,539 --> 00:08:01,039 then got a publisher after that so I did 173 00:08:05,109 --> 00:08:04,549 it all back to print really so good 174 00:08:07,269 --> 00:08:05,119 heavens 175 00:08:10,479 --> 00:08:07,279 so what is your what is your latest 176 00:08:15,519 --> 00:08:10,489 publication Mike the latest one is the 177 00:08:17,949 --> 00:08:15,529 haunted homes of Hope part of the the 178 00:08:21,069 --> 00:08:17,959 might Kabul investigates series and the 179 00:08:23,679 --> 00:08:21,079 idea it's like I mean you know yourself 180 00:08:25,689 --> 00:08:23,689 these days with social media someone 181 00:08:27,339 --> 00:08:25,699 only has to go into a house and break 182 00:08:30,009 --> 00:08:27,349 wind and suddenly it's all over the 183 00:08:31,689 --> 00:08:30,019 newspapers that it's on it and what 184 00:08:33,249 --> 00:08:31,699 people fail to realize is that these 185 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:33,259 stories have been going on for centuries 186 00:08:39,100 --> 00:08:35,569 and I went right back in the archives 187 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:39,110 and discovered on it houses in horth it 188 00:08:45,610 --> 00:08:42,370 and right back to the 1850s 1860s 1870s 189 00:08:48,030 --> 00:08:45,620 and so basically it's kind of a 190 00:08:50,799 --> 00:08:48,040 chronology apart it houses in hope and 191 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:50,809 I've been the the full paranormal 192 00:08:54,910 --> 00:08:52,850 background of each one before historical 193 00:08:57,519 --> 00:08:54,920 overview of each one and then argued 194 00:08:59,170 --> 00:08:57,529 whether or not you know I think this 195 00:09:02,579 --> 00:08:59,180 merits of the case obviously things like 196 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:02,589 history I've been quite critical of that 197 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:05,569 years so there's stuff like that in it 198 00:09:12,009 --> 00:09:10,490 and it's quite ok just before you go on 199 00:09:14,199 --> 00:09:12,019 there Mike let's just define what 200 00:09:15,519 --> 00:09:14,209 degrees 3 is and what it actually means 201 00:09:16,510 --> 00:09:15,529 because there may be people listening 202 00:09:18,340 --> 00:09:16,520 and 203 00:09:26,500 --> 00:09:18,350 even filled it doesn't actually know 204 00:09:29,050 --> 00:09:26,510 what to history in antique history came 205 00:09:33,310 --> 00:09:29,060 on the map a week at the most on it 206 00:09:35,950 --> 00:09:33,320 laughs Kim from Pontefract and I was on 207 00:09:37,570 --> 00:09:35,960 the show a week afterwards I bumped into 208 00:09:39,490 --> 00:09:37,580 a guy in East Earl and he said to me I 209 00:09:42,700 --> 00:09:39,500 can you imagine I've been around it out 210 00:09:44,380 --> 00:09:42,710 it must be a rent money spinner and then 211 00:09:45,910 --> 00:09:44,390 I will be clear I bumped into him again 212 00:09:48,310 --> 00:09:45,920 and he said you'll never guess what I've 213 00:09:51,220 --> 00:09:48,320 gotten on it helps and he said you know 214 00:09:53,140 --> 00:09:51,230 bats and murders and suicides he said 215 00:09:55,420 --> 00:09:53,150 people have tried to research it in the 216 00:09:57,880 --> 00:09:55,430 cat and it was a marjorie and a Marg and 217 00:10:00,160 --> 00:09:57,890 a funeral parlor and it was a hostel and 218 00:10:02,020 --> 00:10:00,170 20 kids were murdered in there and and I 219 00:10:03,910 --> 00:10:02,030 just thought well wait a minute why is 220 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:03,920 this not cross my path because I know 221 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:06,410 there's only McCobb stories related to 222 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:09,530 it whyever not seen it in my studies and 223 00:10:12,460 --> 00:10:11,090 it was reluctant to give me the address 224 00:10:14,980 --> 00:10:12,470 but a few weeks later at the address 225 00:10:17,140 --> 00:10:14,990 went up online I went to the whole 226 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:17,150 History Center sat there for a fall 227 00:10:19,900 --> 00:10:18,410 there went right through the trade 228 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:19,910 directories appalling book to the 229 00:10:24,580 --> 00:10:22,370 electoral roll and pretty much debunked 230 00:10:26,650 --> 00:10:24,590 all the rubbish storage that was coming 231 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:26,660 out about the play and there was no 232 00:10:30,490 --> 00:10:28,250 deaths there was no mad as there was no 233 00:10:32,110 --> 00:10:30,500 suicide it was never a hostel it was 234 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:32,120 never a mark it was never a March it was 235 00:10:36,250 --> 00:10:34,250 never a funeral parlor it was actually a 236 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:36,260 furniture maker which is a bit boring 237 00:10:40,690 --> 00:10:39,170 and the other claim is that no one would 238 00:10:42,100 --> 00:10:40,700 live in the house but the electoral roll 239 00:10:45,700 --> 00:10:42,110 showed that people lived in there until 240 00:10:47,650 --> 00:10:45,710 its current owner took it over so pretty 241 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:47,660 much debunked at all and initially I 242 00:10:52,450 --> 00:10:49,370 mean I wrote an article for you in the 243 00:10:54,130 --> 00:10:52,460 limits magazine I wrote an article for 244 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:54,140 the whole bill and there I got death 245 00:10:59,890 --> 00:10:56,210 threats from paranormal group saying how 246 00:11:01,540 --> 00:10:59,900 dare you I had psychics and mediums you 247 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:01,550 know giving me quite a run for my money 248 00:11:05,680 --> 00:11:03,530 and calling me all names and stuff like 249 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:05,690 that because basically I've taken all 250 00:11:09,670 --> 00:11:07,850 these claims and used it family 251 00:11:13,150 --> 00:11:09,680 historical contemporary sources and 252 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:13,160 debunk them you know that ended up with 253 00:11:15,310 --> 00:11:14,810 an appearance on a television show 254 00:11:18,250 --> 00:11:15,320 called 255 00:11:19,450 --> 00:11:18,260 VG's dicing with death where I went on 256 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:19,460 there and talks about the history of the 257 00:11:25,450 --> 00:11:22,970 place and and it's just crazy really so 258 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:25,460 the whole chapter in the book Canha 259 00:11:29,020 --> 00:11:27,530 looks at all these claims and then it 260 00:11:30,460 --> 00:11:29,030 looks at the actual history I mean it 261 00:11:32,710 --> 00:11:30,470 was real people real families 262 00:11:34,420 --> 00:11:32,720 lived and with that real stories and 263 00:11:36,580 --> 00:11:34,430 we're ignoring them because some psychic 264 00:11:38,830 --> 00:11:36,590 is walking into a room full of dolls and 265 00:11:40,870 --> 00:11:38,840 picking up on ghostly children well I 266 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:40,880 can actually vouch for a lot of what 267 00:11:44,350 --> 00:11:42,650 you've just said their air might because 268 00:11:47,230 --> 00:11:44,360 this is actually the first time I've 269 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:47,240 mentioned this to you but various 270 00:11:51,220 --> 00:11:49,370 members of my family have lived right 271 00:11:54,220 --> 00:11:51,230 across the road from that property and 272 00:11:56,980 --> 00:11:54,230 they were living there from the 273 00:11:59,260 --> 00:11:56,990 mid-1970s right up to the mid nineteen 274 00:12:01,300 --> 00:11:59,270 nineties and as you know yourself Mike I 275 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:01,310 live about what five hundred six hundred 276 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:03,530 yards away from the property myself and 277 00:12:10,180 --> 00:12:07,490 I had never ever heard one single claim 278 00:12:12,610 --> 00:12:10,190 about this property down to grocery in 279 00:12:13,270 --> 00:12:12,620 the many many years I've lived in this 280 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:13,280 area 281 00:12:19,750 --> 00:12:15,410 yeah it just seemed to arise out of 282 00:12:21,130 --> 00:12:19,760 nowhere based on these guys and yeah I 283 00:12:23,590 --> 00:12:21,140 mean a lot of groups have gone and been 284 00:12:26,500 --> 00:12:23,600 disappointed with it but they so I mean 285 00:12:28,990 --> 00:12:26,510 oh that's a wonderful colorful history 286 00:12:34,150 --> 00:12:29,000 report well it's a cash cow into it for 287 00:12:35,950 --> 00:12:34,160 the person basically okay so you've also 288 00:12:38,710 --> 00:12:35,960 got not only do you have an avid 289 00:12:40,420 --> 00:12:38,720 interest in local history with a 290 00:12:43,330 --> 00:12:40,430 paranormal view of course you know 291 00:12:46,090 --> 00:12:43,340 looking at girls etc but you've also got 292 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:46,100 an avid interest in UFOs as well haven't 293 00:12:49,860 --> 00:12:47,930 you so what what some of the strange 294 00:12:53,110 --> 00:12:49,870 sightings have you been investigating 295 00:12:54,730 --> 00:12:53,120 well the first site in Ararat was what 296 00:12:56,230 --> 00:12:54,740 got me into all this was when I was an 297 00:12:58,660 --> 00:12:56,240 eight year old boy living in each stall 298 00:13:01,990 --> 00:12:58,670 and I saw what can only be described as 299 00:13:03,220 --> 00:13:02,000 an egg a fly-in egg and I you know I 300 00:13:05,010 --> 00:13:03,230 remember looking up my window and just 301 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:05,020 been filled with this incredible canvas 302 00:13:09,700 --> 00:13:08,450 and it was really bright way and you 303 00:13:11,050 --> 00:13:09,710 know I remember the follow in line and I 304 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:11,060 sports and father and said what do you 305 00:13:13,930 --> 00:13:12,530 think it could be dad and he gave me a 306 00:13:15,580 --> 00:13:13,940 book and I don't know if you remember 307 00:13:17,410 --> 00:13:15,590 film it you're right remedy for the 308 00:13:20,980 --> 00:13:17,420 unexplained and there was like a pat 309 00:13:24,100 --> 00:13:20,990 works yes the whole lot yes absolutely 310 00:13:25,780 --> 00:13:24,110 and there he give me he'd give me the 311 00:13:26,890 --> 00:13:25,790 first volume and as an 8 year old boy 312 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:26,900 without a minute they only brought me 313 00:13:32,350 --> 00:13:29,930 like and I'm sat reading it and I was 314 00:13:33,850 --> 00:13:32,360 just blown away by how much stuff there 315 00:13:35,650 --> 00:13:33,860 is in the world that is unexplained I 316 00:13:37,780 --> 00:13:35,660 was particularly interested in the cost 317 00:13:40,420 --> 00:13:37,790 first in your first I started reading a 318 00:13:43,030 --> 00:13:40,430 funny way first and went to a few 319 00:13:44,140 --> 00:13:43,040 conferences as a young boy I started 320 00:13:47,890 --> 00:13:44,150 collecting 321 00:13:50,769 --> 00:13:47,900 you know the videos and DVDs audio tapes 322 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:50,779 I was a subscriber to UFO magazine when 323 00:13:55,870 --> 00:13:52,730 the battle brothers run it for many many 324 00:13:58,120 --> 00:13:55,880 years and I used to serve up the pocket 325 00:14:02,040 --> 00:13:58,130 money and pay for these files to be send 326 00:14:04,269 --> 00:14:02,050 all soft and then it was in the nineties 327 00:14:06,940 --> 00:14:04,279 so it must have been about that six 328 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:06,950 night simple sandwich when it give me a 329 00:14:11,769 --> 00:14:09,650 daily meal that this gang in in West 330 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:11,779 local Kris was setting up all your way 331 00:14:16,540 --> 00:14:14,450 the society and that Herman will do that 332 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:16,550 was yeah with me that's it look at this 333 00:14:22,780 --> 00:14:19,370 sir and I came and it was it was at the 334 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:22,790 ones Dale sent there and yeah and there 335 00:14:26,650 --> 00:14:24,890 I met you then we became friends and 336 00:14:28,930 --> 00:14:26,660 there yeah I mean it just took off from 337 00:14:30,910 --> 00:14:28,940 there really and I mean one of the most 338 00:14:34,269 --> 00:14:30,920 interesting ones for me is the stuff 339 00:14:37,630 --> 00:14:34,279 that predates the cannon at Matt in 47 340 00:14:40,390 --> 00:14:37,640 and flap and and this is stuff like the 341 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:40,400 1801 UFO and then the earliest stuff you 342 00:14:45,790 --> 00:14:42,410 know the really really fascinated basque 343 00:14:48,460 --> 00:14:45,800 airships and all went through a number 344 00:14:49,930 --> 00:14:48,470 of scare ship sighting and you know for 345 00:14:51,730 --> 00:14:49,940 the early nineteen hundred's and i found 346 00:14:54,130 --> 00:14:51,740 them quite fascinating so I've been 347 00:14:55,570 --> 00:14:54,140 doing a lot of research on them spending 348 00:14:58,090 --> 00:14:55,580 a lot of time that get in the archives 349 00:14:59,560 --> 00:14:58,100 and stuff like that and I also went to 350 00:15:03,340 --> 00:14:59,570 the National Archives and got all the 351 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:03,350 the files from the UFO released that 352 00:15:07,750 --> 00:15:05,890 covered Hulk and East Yorkshire and 353 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:07,760 spent a lot of time you know 354 00:15:12,430 --> 00:15:10,730 communicating with humble sideways you 355 00:15:14,260 --> 00:15:12,440 know they were very adamant that there 356 00:15:17,230 --> 00:15:14,270 weren't interested in the UFO phenomena 357 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:17,240 but they had UFO reporting files in 358 00:15:22,210 --> 00:15:20,930 their looks which me indicates that that 359 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:22,220 there might be something to it you know 360 00:15:26,890 --> 00:15:23,810 a number of sightings that I've got 361 00:15:29,230 --> 00:15:26,900 where from police offices and you know 362 00:15:31,510 --> 00:15:29,240 certain if this is quite a few years of 363 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:31,520 there's sort of cases that have gone 364 00:15:35,590 --> 00:15:33,890 through and but I feel like the early 365 00:15:37,660 --> 00:15:35,600 stuff you know the stuff that you've got 366 00:15:40,510 --> 00:15:37,670 to really go into the archives and of 367 00:15:42,790 --> 00:15:40,520 course you know these are so there is no 368 00:15:44,050 --> 00:15:42,800 one around that will you know there's no 369 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:44,060 one around you can interview or anything 370 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:46,730 like that and but I spent quite a lot of 371 00:15:51,340 --> 00:15:49,490 time researching scare ships and I just 372 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:51,350 probably a fascinating you know and this 373 00:15:55,300 --> 00:15:54,170 was in a period when and you know 374 00:15:57,820 --> 00:15:55,310 obviously there was a lot of intense 375 00:15:59,590 --> 00:15:57,830 activity going on between 376 00:16:02,079 --> 00:15:59,600 at Britain and Germany and there was a 377 00:16:03,820 --> 00:16:02,089 lot of saber rattling and you know and 378 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:03,830 that shortly after we have these 379 00:16:08,290 --> 00:16:05,810 Sketchup sightings in whole almost bump 380 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:08,300 out as they please and that's an 381 00:16:14,139 --> 00:16:11,330 interesting angle and but for me the the 382 00:16:15,690 --> 00:16:14,149 1801 new fr scare was just astounding I 383 00:16:19,930 --> 00:16:15,700 mean this was one that took place in 384 00:16:21,910 --> 00:16:19,940 June 1801 and then you know between 385 00:16:23,740 --> 00:16:21,920 12:00 and 1:00 o'clock in the morning 386 00:16:27,100 --> 00:16:23,750 people have all saw this bright blue 387 00:16:29,949 --> 00:16:27,110 light heading towards the city and when 388 00:16:33,069 --> 00:16:29,959 it got over Holly split into four or 389 00:16:38,139 --> 00:16:33,079 five pieces and shut outward then joined 390 00:16:42,519 --> 00:16:38,149 back together again and then took off no 391 00:16:47,199 --> 00:16:42,529 this is not this astronomical this is 392 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:47,209 nothing in in kind of you know astronomy 393 00:16:50,500 --> 00:16:49,370 circles that can account something like 394 00:16:52,569 --> 00:16:50,510 that I could understand it flying 395 00:16:54,370 --> 00:16:52,579 towards them because that could be a 396 00:16:56,620 --> 00:16:54,380 celestial body of some sort flying 397 00:16:58,090 --> 00:16:56,630 towards the town and and I can 398 00:16:59,500 --> 00:16:58,100 understand it breaking up because that 399 00:17:01,720 --> 00:16:59,510 could be the celestial body come before 400 00:17:03,670 --> 00:17:01,730 the atmosphere and break it up but then 401 00:17:05,169 --> 00:17:03,680 I cannot explain right joined back 402 00:17:08,530 --> 00:17:05,179 together man flew off that that's 403 00:17:10,090 --> 00:17:08,540 emitted indicate any known and craft or 404 00:17:11,380 --> 00:17:10,100 anything that would have been in the 405 00:17:13,750 --> 00:17:11,390 skies at that time so that was 406 00:17:16,870 --> 00:17:13,760 fascinating yeah this is the sighting in 407 00:17:19,090 --> 00:17:16,880 1801 who's a lot of people well I know 408 00:17:20,740 --> 00:17:19,100 it was in the national press I think it 409 00:17:23,740 --> 00:17:20,750 was about two years ago now Mike if I'm 410 00:17:26,140 --> 00:17:23,750 correct and we're actually was described 411 00:17:29,590 --> 00:17:26,150 it's quite probably one of the first 412 00:17:31,419 --> 00:17:29,600 ever UFO sightings in this country and 413 00:17:33,340 --> 00:17:31,429 that's of course not counting the monks 414 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:33,350 of Ireland abbey of course well you know 415 00:17:39,900 --> 00:17:36,890 it's a very very very interesting 416 00:17:43,330 --> 00:17:39,910 interesting point it really is at the em 417 00:17:44,919 --> 00:17:43,340 the old thing is though it's what I like 418 00:17:46,780 --> 00:17:44,929 about what you don't like is how much 419 00:17:48,549 --> 00:17:46,790 time and effort you put into going into 420 00:17:51,700 --> 00:17:48,559 the local archives 421 00:17:54,340 --> 00:17:51,710 sitting there must be days on end and 422 00:17:56,740 --> 00:17:54,350 actually investigating all these strange 423 00:17:59,049 --> 00:17:56,750 and weird and wonderful things oh yeah I 424 00:18:00,700 --> 00:17:59,059 mean about some days you know where I 425 00:18:02,590 --> 00:18:00,710 mean if you've ever done it you'll know 426 00:18:04,120 --> 00:18:02,600 you have good stares and you have bad 427 00:18:06,130 --> 00:18:04,130 days I've gone in there some days and 428 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:06,140 come out with 20 30 pieces of paper with 429 00:18:11,590 --> 00:18:09,290 newspaper reports on and official files 430 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:11,600 and other things I've gone in there 431 00:18:16,180 --> 00:18:14,090 nothing and come out surcease at and 432 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:16,190 then and there abound but it's them 433 00:18:20,590 --> 00:18:18,530 moments when you do transcendence do 434 00:18:24,460 --> 00:18:20,600 they just interrupt them either they 435 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:24,470 still have my microfiche yeah yeah I 436 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:26,690 mean I remember going through the 437 00:18:32,230 --> 00:18:29,570 microfiche myself yeah I like you said 438 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:32,240 sometimes you'll get a run of things do 439 00:18:35,500 --> 00:18:34,010 you think oh boy I'm on a roll here and 440 00:18:38,799 --> 00:18:35,510 then the next time 441 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:38,809 zilch I mean you know it's the local gym 442 00:18:43,659 --> 00:18:40,850 can or are you know local fairs and 443 00:18:45,580 --> 00:18:43,669 that's it yeah that happened a lot I was 444 00:18:47,970 --> 00:18:45,590 basically some days I would go in and 445 00:18:51,010 --> 00:18:47,980 come away with you know a folder full of 446 00:18:53,500 --> 00:18:51,020 UFO reports that had been published 447 00:18:55,659 --> 00:18:53,510 centuries ago and then other sounds 448 00:18:57,250 --> 00:18:55,669 outgoing and found nothing and a few 449 00:18:59,080 --> 00:18:57,260 occasions as well I've registered in 450 00:19:00,970 --> 00:18:59,090 like 40 and times where it's if we got 451 00:19:02,260 --> 00:19:00,980 this from the whole Daily Mail in and it 452 00:19:03,700 --> 00:19:02,270 gives you it there and I've gone into 453 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:03,710 the old Daily Mail archives and gone 454 00:19:08,230 --> 00:19:05,330 throw on them you know the microfiche 455 00:19:12,460 --> 00:19:08,240 reader and your arms twist in it and 456 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:12,470 it's not there just see some listeners 457 00:19:15,909 --> 00:19:14,090 now especially of a younger generation 458 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:15,919 thinking what the hell are they talking 459 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:19,850 about what's a microfiche where can I 460 00:19:26,740 --> 00:19:23,770 find a microfiche upon my phone you know 461 00:19:32,140 --> 00:19:26,750 it's not it's not a small goldfish is it 462 00:19:33,159 --> 00:19:32,150 it's not what the finish that the old I 463 00:19:34,450 --> 00:19:33,169 don't know if you remember the really 464 00:19:37,060 --> 00:19:34,460 old ones we went around and what we 465 00:19:38,380 --> 00:19:37,070 ramped we've got new ones in whole work 466 00:19:41,590 --> 00:19:38,390 you press the button and it does it all 467 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:41,600 for you which is a lot more easier but 468 00:19:45,399 --> 00:19:43,850 it's still not text searchable so you 469 00:19:48,340 --> 00:19:45,409 can't just sit down and type in your 470 00:19:51,430 --> 00:19:48,350 phone it'll bring the Folies apart oh 471 00:19:53,470 --> 00:19:51,440 come on they're bad then across three or 472 00:19:55,390 --> 00:19:53,480 four issues that there and it's 473 00:19:57,419 --> 00:19:55,400 time-consuming it makes you tired your 474 00:20:00,250 --> 00:19:57,429 eyes goes really funny after a while and 475 00:20:02,970 --> 00:20:00,260 especially I mean like with the 1801 UFO 476 00:20:06,310 --> 00:20:02,980 report that was one that literally spent 477 00:20:08,260 --> 00:20:06,320 I spent about three months trying to 478 00:20:10,419 --> 00:20:08,270 track down as many newspaper reports on 479 00:20:13,390 --> 00:20:10,429 that as possible and you know and I 480 00:20:16,570 --> 00:20:13,400 found stuff in lantern in chest there 481 00:20:18,220 --> 00:20:16,580 and it been published locally a number 482 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:18,230 of magazines at the time were publishing 483 00:20:21,610 --> 00:20:19,850 it and especially the sort of 484 00:20:24,340 --> 00:20:21,620 astronomical magazines because people 485 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:24,350 were asking what what is it and you know 486 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:25,490 so I was going through alley 487 00:20:29,260 --> 00:20:28,010 he was referring parts and of course 488 00:20:31,870 --> 00:20:29,270 they're never published on the same 489 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:31,880 thing so you're looking you know there's 490 00:20:36,940 --> 00:20:33,530 and there's Affairs and then the never 491 00:20:39,610 --> 00:20:36,950 sort of you know the report might have 492 00:20:40,750 --> 00:20:39,620 taken place in June well the newspapers 493 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:40,760 might not pick up on it for another 494 00:20:45,460 --> 00:20:43,010 month and so you've got months and 495 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:45,470 months of a here because cigar would you 496 00:20:48,910 --> 00:20:47,090 try and find that single piece of 497 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:48,920 evidence but then when you found it it's 498 00:20:52,390 --> 00:20:50,570 kinda like that Eureka moment you know 499 00:20:54,460 --> 00:20:52,400 you you get that feeling in the back ear 500 00:20:56,350 --> 00:20:54,470 you make the S them stand on end and 501 00:20:58,150 --> 00:20:56,360 it's a great feeling because you've got 502 00:21:00,160 --> 00:20:58,160 another piece of the puzzle that would 503 00:21:02,169 --> 00:21:00,170 have been otherwise you said is he not 504 00:21:04,570 --> 00:21:02,179 curious as well Mike that when when you 505 00:21:07,120 --> 00:21:04,580 when you look at the the sightings more 506 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:07,130 more closely like the obviously have 507 00:21:11,770 --> 00:21:09,290 done that what people will actually 508 00:21:13,419 --> 00:21:11,780 seeing in report him who prepares no 509 00:21:14,340 --> 00:21:13,429 resemblance to an airship of any 510 00:21:18,220 --> 00:21:14,350 description 511 00:21:20,169 --> 00:21:18,230 it's just that they impart you know the 512 00:21:22,780 --> 00:21:20,179 technology of the day on on the 513 00:21:25,180 --> 00:21:22,790 phenomenon that they encounter we would 514 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:25,190 you agree with that I would yeah I mean 515 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:26,690 what's interesting about like I mean 516 00:21:29,169 --> 00:21:27,650 when you're going to start the early 517 00:21:30,820 --> 00:21:29,179 nineteen hundred's when you know 518 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:30,830 airships were being tested and stuff 519 00:21:35,260 --> 00:21:33,290 like that and in hold under the Russian 520 00:21:36,549 --> 00:21:35,270 as we have we had Holden there was a lot 521 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:36,559 of a ship's been built out there at that 522 00:21:43,510 --> 00:21:40,210 time and so they were in the popular 523 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:43,520 sort of conscience and where was if you 524 00:21:47,890 --> 00:21:45,290 go right back to sort of the early 1800s 525 00:21:49,299 --> 00:21:47,900 there was nothing like so you know when 526 00:21:51,700 --> 00:21:49,309 we've got this ball of light is that 527 00:21:54,070 --> 00:21:51,710 because there is nothing in the sky at 528 00:21:56,650 --> 00:21:54,080 that time you know I believe round about 529 00:21:58,690 --> 00:21:56,660 that period and people were testing 530 00:22:00,640 --> 00:21:58,700 balloons and things like that but 531 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:00,650 nothing that could split apart and going 532 00:22:10,630 --> 00:22:03,050 back together and fly off those Chinese 533 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:10,640 lanterns again Mike so you've got your 534 00:22:15,730 --> 00:22:12,770 own you've got what we've got the 1801 535 00:22:16,630 --> 00:22:15,740 case there then Mike and obviously it's 536 00:22:18,970 --> 00:22:16,640 very strange 537 00:22:21,010 --> 00:22:18,980 you know splitting apart coming back 538 00:22:24,130 --> 00:22:21,020 together what is some of the latest 539 00:22:26,049 --> 00:22:24,140 reports that you've had and well the 540 00:22:29,470 --> 00:22:26,059 book kind of covers right up to sort of 541 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:29,480 the mounting early two-thousands and but 542 00:22:32,290 --> 00:22:30,890 one that I really got involved with 543 00:22:37,690 --> 00:22:32,300 there was a couple of cases one of them 544 00:22:39,370 --> 00:22:37,700 was there that all all home of 2010 and 545 00:22:41,620 --> 00:22:39,380 that was basically 546 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:41,630 my wife and I were in bed one evening 547 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:46,730 and someone now don't go so fast the one 548 00:22:53,740 --> 00:22:51,290 who tried to steal a bike from one of my 549 00:22:57,010 --> 00:22:53,750 family members so my family if we're all 550 00:22:58,510 --> 00:22:57,020 in in the street and back then at there 551 00:23:01,030 --> 00:22:58,520 was four members of my family all lived 552 00:23:02,350 --> 00:23:01,040 on the same street so everyone would all 553 00:23:03,910 --> 00:23:02,360 come out with all look after each other 554 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:03,920 and basic what happened was someone had 555 00:23:07,690 --> 00:23:05,570 tried to steal a bike so there was a lot 556 00:23:09,190 --> 00:23:07,700 of commotion in the street so we've got 557 00:23:10,980 --> 00:23:09,200 Upton we've gone down and with made sure 558 00:23:14,380 --> 00:23:10,990 everyone was ok but went back up to bed 559 00:23:15,970 --> 00:23:14,390 it was quite a hot night and I remember 560 00:23:19,090 --> 00:23:15,980 those some sort of some affair on at 561 00:23:22,650 --> 00:23:19,100 East Park and that was long finished but 562 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:22,660 was there Tim FET and we it sounded like 563 00:23:27,850 --> 00:23:25,250 747 was about to land on each door and 564 00:23:30,250 --> 00:23:27,860 it's just this roar of engines really 565 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:30,260 really loud it was like a loud humming 566 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:33,050 noise and and we just couldn't believe 567 00:23:35,230 --> 00:23:33,410 it 568 00:23:37,030 --> 00:23:35,240 and basically what happens the following 569 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:37,040 morning I got up and posted on Facebook 570 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:42,050 and anyone in Hope air the strange noise 571 00:23:49,150 --> 00:23:45,530 last night and then I was inundated with 572 00:23:52,450 --> 00:23:49,160 messages and basically what happened was 573 00:23:54,190 --> 00:23:52,460 around 60 people from across a hole in 574 00:23:56,260 --> 00:23:54,200 each juncture contacted me and said what 575 00:23:59,410 --> 00:23:56,270 we had it and I was able to plot a map 576 00:24:01,780 --> 00:23:59,420 and with all the times and stuff there 577 00:24:03,340 --> 00:24:01,790 was no it wasn't like a flight path this 578 00:24:05,950 --> 00:24:03,350 was literally like something that drops 579 00:24:09,190 --> 00:24:05,960 out the clouds made a loud noise then 580 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:09,200 disappeared and you know from that point 581 00:24:14,020 --> 00:24:12,290 on I got in touch with the Civil 582 00:24:16,030 --> 00:24:14,030 Aviation Authority I got in touch with 583 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:16,040 the Ministry of Defence I have a lot of 584 00:24:20,740 --> 00:24:17,570 contacts in the media so I got in touch 585 00:24:22,690 --> 00:24:20,750 with the BBC and the whole Daily Mail 586 00:24:24,190 --> 00:24:22,700 and they were also making inquiries and 587 00:24:26,380 --> 00:24:24,200 we were all kind of pooling our 588 00:24:28,270 --> 00:24:26,390 information in a bid to get to the 589 00:24:29,380 --> 00:24:28,280 bottom of it and while this is going on 590 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:29,390 people are coming forward with 591 00:24:33,460 --> 00:24:31,850 suggestions and theories and so was 592 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:33,470 researching them um and one of them 593 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:36,530 it was that it was a Russian plane but 594 00:24:40,900 --> 00:24:37,970 we found out that there was no Russian 595 00:24:42,700 --> 00:24:40,910 planes in the sky at that time and over 596 00:24:45,670 --> 00:24:42,710 Britain so it kind of rules out the 597 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:45,680 Russian plane and another one said well 598 00:24:50,770 --> 00:24:48,290 there was evidence of a Russian plane 599 00:24:52,660 --> 00:24:50,780 flying between London and Manchester or 600 00:24:53,170 --> 00:24:52,670 something like that but we'd found out 601 00:24:54,670 --> 00:24:53,180 that that 602 00:24:58,180 --> 00:24:54,680 grounded for about three hours before 603 00:24:59,920 --> 00:24:58,190 we'd head and you know it was really 604 00:25:01,570 --> 00:24:59,930 weird because then people were coming in 605 00:25:03,940 --> 00:25:01,580 and someone actually came in as if we 606 00:25:04,750 --> 00:25:03,950 thought it was an action which was 607 00:25:07,650 --> 00:25:04,760 interesting 608 00:25:09,940 --> 00:25:07,660 someone said they thought it was a 609 00:25:11,860 --> 00:25:09,950 double prop play and someone said it was 610 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:11,870 a fart prop where there was all these 611 00:25:15,790 --> 00:25:13,490 different theories about what could have 612 00:25:17,230 --> 00:25:15,800 been and and while this was going on at 613 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:17,240 the whole Daily Mail getting in such a 614 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:18,890 way to say what they had picked up and 615 00:25:22,360 --> 00:25:21,170 the Civil Aviation Authority got in 616 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:22,370 touch and they said that they are 617 00:25:27,430 --> 00:25:26,090 nothing flying and at that time the mmod 618 00:25:29,110 --> 00:25:27,440 got in touch and they said they had 619 00:25:30,910 --> 00:25:29,120 nothing in the air over that at that 620 00:25:33,430 --> 00:25:30,920 period of time they were baffled by it 621 00:25:35,470 --> 00:25:33,440 and you know really really interesting 622 00:25:36,940 --> 00:25:35,480 and we had almost had police got 623 00:25:39,540 --> 00:25:36,950 involved and they said that they had 624 00:25:41,770 --> 00:25:39,550 some police officers on Springbank 625 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:41,780 and they aired it and they came and 626 00:25:46,750 --> 00:25:44,090 looked up in the sky but there was 627 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:46,760 nothing in the sky and you know and it 628 00:25:52,990 --> 00:25:48,770 was just really bizarre with it's never 629 00:25:55,900 --> 00:25:53,000 been satisfactorily explained but what 630 00:25:57,340 --> 00:25:55,910 was interesting is you know they can 631 00:25:59,050 --> 00:25:57,350 urban legend where you've got like the 632 00:26:01,750 --> 00:25:59,060 original story then the story gets 633 00:26:03,700 --> 00:26:01,760 twisted your papers and magazines were 634 00:26:06,070 --> 00:26:03,710 picking up on this and various websites 635 00:26:08,650 --> 00:26:06,080 and stuff like that and there one of 636 00:26:12,190 --> 00:26:08,660 them said that I was actually a member 637 00:26:13,900 --> 00:26:12,200 of the Civil Aviation Authority and that 638 00:26:15,490 --> 00:26:13,910 I was researching it on behalf of the 639 00:26:16,900 --> 00:26:15,500 Civil Aviation Authority and I said well 640 00:26:19,930 --> 00:26:16,910 I'm not I'm a member of the public fools 641 00:26:22,260 --> 00:26:19,940 and this and you know I'm sort of 642 00:26:24,730 --> 00:26:22,270 approaching the Civil Aviation Authority 643 00:26:27,340 --> 00:26:24,740 and then from there I remember picking 644 00:26:30,970 --> 00:26:27,350 up a book couple years later called 645 00:26:32,650 --> 00:26:30,980 shadows in the sky Barney Oh Arnold and 646 00:26:34,570 --> 00:26:32,660 the story was featured in there and it 647 00:26:36,790 --> 00:26:34,580 talks about us and and what we had and 648 00:26:38,950 --> 00:26:36,800 stuff like that and that was fascinating 649 00:26:42,790 --> 00:26:38,960 because we I ended up with a paper trail 650 00:26:45,100 --> 00:26:42,800 a boulder with and you know to this day 651 00:26:46,570 --> 00:26:45,110 we still don't know what it was and you 652 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:46,580 know lots of people came forward with 653 00:26:51,010 --> 00:26:49,250 theories and we managed to track all 654 00:26:52,570 --> 00:26:51,020 these various aeroplanes all over the 655 00:26:55,180 --> 00:26:52,580 place and none of them were flying of a 656 00:26:57,330 --> 00:26:55,190 hole at that time and and people were 657 00:27:02,410 --> 00:26:57,340 reporting this from you know places like 658 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:02,420 we'd be with her and see Hansie and then 659 00:27:07,060 --> 00:27:03,890 all the way up the other way asked 660 00:27:08,980 --> 00:27:07,070 Shelby and you know Google with 661 00:27:11,310 --> 00:27:08,990 like that so this was heard in a massive 662 00:27:15,029 --> 00:27:11,320 radius but just don't know what it was 663 00:27:19,029 --> 00:27:15,039 yeah very very weird now I don't know um 664 00:27:22,539 --> 00:27:19,039 both myself and you I have an interest 665 00:27:24,940 --> 00:27:22,549 in some of the old UFO cases in the area 666 00:27:27,399 --> 00:27:24,950 for example we've got the warm primary 667 00:27:30,149 --> 00:27:27,409 school and we've got em an Lobby as well 668 00:27:34,149 --> 00:27:30,159 the under the schooling and the B and 669 00:27:36,100 --> 00:27:34,159 we've also got the the incident on their 670 00:27:37,629 --> 00:27:36,110 long little airplane fields that one 671 00:27:40,149 --> 00:27:37,639 it's a little bit about that Mike yeah 672 00:27:42,580 --> 00:27:40,159 well this was this was a actually a kiss 673 00:27:48,129 --> 00:27:42,590 that my yeah my dad had told me about 674 00:27:49,769 --> 00:27:48,139 when I was a young lad and yeah yeah 675 00:27:56,499 --> 00:27:49,779 this was before I was born 676 00:28:00,039 --> 00:27:56,509 this in 1967 yeah so and basically he 677 00:28:01,509 --> 00:28:00,049 told me that his friend was involved in 678 00:28:03,730 --> 00:28:01,519 a UFO case on one wheel 679 00:28:04,869 --> 00:28:03,740 and you know and I said to him well 680 00:28:07,509 --> 00:28:04,879 who's your friend and he said it's 681 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:07,519 called Steve and it was a witness to a 682 00:28:12,549 --> 00:28:10,610 UFO landing and then you know I was 683 00:28:14,590 --> 00:28:12,559 fascinated by it and then Steve passed 684 00:28:18,039 --> 00:28:14,600 away and I was unable to talk to him and 685 00:28:19,389 --> 00:28:18,049 and I remember I spend absolutely ages 686 00:28:20,889 --> 00:28:19,399 trying to get to the bottom of this and 687 00:28:25,419 --> 00:28:20,899 it was really interesting because I 688 00:28:27,629 --> 00:28:25,429 spoke to Cameron Bernina Island it used 689 00:28:29,980 --> 00:28:27,639 to write for the whole Daily Mail and 690 00:28:32,710 --> 00:28:29,990 she used to write a column and I 691 00:28:35,289 --> 00:28:32,720 remember recovering this subject in that 692 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:35,299 column and I was lecturing once and she 693 00:28:40,090 --> 00:28:38,450 turned up at my lecture and we were 694 00:28:41,619 --> 00:28:40,100 talking about also and at that time she 695 00:28:43,659 --> 00:28:41,629 was writing a play about the river and I 696 00:28:46,210 --> 00:28:43,669 saw it said to me you know I'd love to 697 00:28:47,740 --> 00:28:46,220 be able to read write rip stuff and but 698 00:28:50,889 --> 00:28:47,750 what I'm really interested in is this 699 00:28:52,330 --> 00:28:50,899 UFO thing at London and and she said to 700 00:28:54,519 --> 00:28:52,340 me she said I cannot remember when I 701 00:28:57,279 --> 00:28:54,529 wrote the article but it was sometime in 702 00:28:59,980 --> 00:28:57,289 then answered soured from all of the 703 00:29:04,269 --> 00:28:59,990 newspaper columns couldn't found it what 704 00:29:07,899 --> 00:29:04,279 a big fan was a an article that was 705 00:29:10,779 --> 00:29:07,909 written in the whole Daily Mail in 1970 706 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:10,789 in October 1970 and this said that in 707 00:29:17,049 --> 00:29:14,330 July 1967 and a number of things had 708 00:29:20,409 --> 00:29:17,059 been spotted over East Yorkshire and 709 00:29:20,890 --> 00:29:20,419 lights and so on and so I was able to 710 00:29:24,460 --> 00:29:20,900 count 711 00:29:26,740 --> 00:29:24,470 in on 67 of the year and then I 712 00:29:28,930 --> 00:29:26,750 eventually found it and what I did was I 713 00:29:31,660 --> 00:29:28,940 kinda went backwards I found a newspaper 714 00:29:32,740 --> 00:29:31,670 report published in flashback and for 715 00:29:35,170 --> 00:29:32,750 those who don't know what flashback is 716 00:29:38,910 --> 00:29:35,180 flashback is a monthly newspaper 717 00:29:40,410 --> 00:29:38,920 published in all that is for heritage 718 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:40,420 history 719 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:43,970 it contains a lot of old full of old 720 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:45,770 information about various areas of the 721 00:29:50,230 --> 00:29:48,170 city and they do a a column in that that 722 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:50,240 says Amish there ten years ago on this 723 00:29:56,650 --> 00:29:52,250 day twenty years ago and so on 724 00:30:01,180 --> 00:29:56,660 it sort of said that the the on this day 725 00:30:05,770 --> 00:30:01,190 in 1967 and children in Hull spotted a 726 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:05,780 white cigar ships object landing on a in 727 00:30:11,500 --> 00:30:09,650 Long Hill on a path and it said it was 728 00:30:15,220 --> 00:30:11,510 there two years ago this month so that 729 00:30:18,430 --> 00:30:15,230 think of me November 1967 as a as it 730 00:30:19,540 --> 00:30:18,440 there and I was able to go back then 731 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:19,550 through the archives and they eventually 732 00:30:25,030 --> 00:30:21,610 found any old Daily Mail November 16th 733 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:25,040 1967 the full article on it where it 734 00:30:29,710 --> 00:30:26,690 talks about the children it gives the 735 00:30:30,850 --> 00:30:29,720 names and where they lived and things 736 00:30:33,130 --> 00:30:30,860 like that the name of the police officer 737 00:30:35,650 --> 00:30:33,140 I was then able to go and was that that 738 00:30:38,350 --> 00:30:35,660 fair there now it mentions Steve always 739 00:30:40,150 --> 00:30:38,360 friends with my dad and he was mentioned 740 00:30:42,190 --> 00:30:40,160 in the articles and he passed away some 741 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:42,200 years ago and but he was said to have 742 00:30:46,660 --> 00:30:45,650 been one of the principal boys involved 743 00:30:49,450 --> 00:30:46,670 in the case 744 00:30:51,190 --> 00:30:49,460 it was 14 at the time and he was a pupil 745 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:51,200 at Eastern High School and he said there 746 00:30:54,970 --> 00:30:52,490 was a bright object on the ill about 747 00:30:56,919 --> 00:30:54,980 hundred and fifty hours aware I won't 748 00:30:58,840 --> 00:30:56,929 talk to about fifty ads from it it was 749 00:31:00,820 --> 00:30:58,850 as it was cigar shaped and creamy white 750 00:31:02,140 --> 00:31:00,830 it hovered on the hill and then a red 751 00:31:04,780 --> 00:31:02,150 lights that it's a flashing a bed a 752 00:31:07,150 --> 00:31:04,790 humming sound like a beer de tormenta it 753 00:31:09,060 --> 00:31:07,160 stand up as if it was on moving like 754 00:31:12,460 --> 00:31:09,070 then shot off into the sky 755 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:12,470 circled around them disappeared and and 756 00:31:15,850 --> 00:31:13,850 it was really interesting because there 757 00:31:17,830 --> 00:31:15,860 was at that time there was a lot of 758 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:17,840 other newspapers publishing and stuff 759 00:31:22,870 --> 00:31:21,650 about UFOs in Great Britain but it 760 00:31:24,490 --> 00:31:22,880 happened with the old Daily Mail is they 761 00:31:27,010 --> 00:31:24,500 followed the story up this that it's a 762 00:31:28,990 --> 00:31:27,020 run and articles day after day after 763 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:29,000 there and they would approach different 764 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:31,010 people for it for example at one point 765 00:31:34,150 --> 00:31:32,210 they approached the the whole 766 00:31:34,659 --> 00:31:34,160 Astronomical Society and said can you 767 00:31:36,970 --> 00:31:34,669 give 768 00:31:39,580 --> 00:31:36,980 the mission and they gave a theory and 769 00:31:42,159 --> 00:31:39,590 there was even a theory that Yorkshire 770 00:31:45,269 --> 00:31:42,169 water was somehow involved and it was 771 00:31:48,849 --> 00:31:45,279 possibly a helicopter from the after why 772 00:31:53,249 --> 00:31:48,859 I think I seem to remember that being 773 00:31:57,279 --> 00:31:53,259 mentioned as your electricity yes okay 774 00:31:59,950 --> 00:31:57,289 and it said the admit an emergency 775 00:32:01,720 --> 00:31:59,960 landing in the park and it said such 776 00:32:03,989 --> 00:32:01,730 such a landing could produce the lights 777 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:03,999 and sound seen by these children and 778 00:32:09,310 --> 00:32:07,970 doesn't explain the sheer you know not 779 00:32:11,169 --> 00:32:09,320 sure what the other cops has looked like 780 00:32:14,940 --> 00:32:11,179 in 67 but pretty sure they don't like a 781 00:32:19,869 --> 00:32:14,950 cigar you know and then there was a in 782 00:32:22,599 --> 00:32:19,879 1970 there was a newspaper a part of the 783 00:32:25,060 --> 00:32:22,609 history of UFO reports in home and it 784 00:32:27,460 --> 00:32:25,070 mentioned again that a group of boys had 785 00:32:31,330 --> 00:32:27,470 seen it and it is simple if approached 786 00:32:33,820 --> 00:32:31,340 and Colin Watson it was a quite a 787 00:32:39,759 --> 00:32:33,830 popular name in that the old newspapers 788 00:32:41,259 --> 00:32:39,769 and Colin Watson was I believe he was 789 00:32:44,049 --> 00:32:41,269 involved in astronomy but it used to 790 00:32:45,789 --> 00:32:44,059 take on a lot of local UFO reports and 791 00:32:47,739 --> 00:32:45,799 all the newspaper reports of the 60s and 792 00:32:49,539 --> 00:32:47,749 70s they always went to him and sports 793 00:32:52,590 --> 00:32:49,549 women it give his counter view and 794 00:32:57,070 --> 00:32:52,600 opinion and Watson came forward and said 795 00:32:58,629 --> 00:32:57,080 he believed it was a helicopter but the 796 00:33:01,749 --> 00:32:58,639 interesting thing I mean I got in touch 797 00:33:04,269 --> 00:33:01,759 with them officer Jack Sikes and sports 798 00:33:05,619 --> 00:33:04,279 oh and I got in touch with his family 799 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:05,629 about whether or not they had his 800 00:33:10,330 --> 00:33:08,330 logbook and there didn't then I got in 801 00:33:12,669 --> 00:33:10,340 touch with understand police no homicide 802 00:33:14,859 --> 00:33:12,679 police their archives are now well that 803 00:33:16,989 --> 00:33:14,869 the each round in our cabs in Beverley 804 00:33:19,710 --> 00:33:16,999 so I went there and asked them if they 805 00:33:22,060 --> 00:33:19,720 had a police officer Jack Sykes notebook 806 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:22,070 and it took him a few days to get back 807 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:23,690 to me but they said it was wasn't 808 00:33:27,729 --> 00:33:25,970 present in their collection leading them 809 00:33:31,330 --> 00:33:27,739 to believe it was either destroyed or 810 00:33:34,090 --> 00:33:31,340 it's somewhere else so it's a bit 811 00:33:36,519 --> 00:33:34,100 frustrating really yeah it's a 812 00:33:38,950 --> 00:33:36,529 fascinating case and really I mean I 813 00:33:40,479 --> 00:33:38,960 visited the park and it's it's quite an 814 00:33:41,799 --> 00:33:40,489 eerie place it's kind of out on a limit 815 00:33:45,669 --> 00:33:41,809 right at the edge of the city boundary 816 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:45,679 and it's yes it yeah of course these the 817 00:33:50,910 --> 00:33:48,010 M what we in Holly 818 00:33:54,750 --> 00:33:50,920 Yorkshire called the drain drain dren 819 00:33:57,510 --> 00:33:54,760 next to it which is like a man-made Dyke 820 00:33:59,910 --> 00:33:57,520 really were a river too to take away 821 00:34:02,520 --> 00:33:59,920 water from the floodplains out into the 822 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:02,530 into the river Humber so that makes it a 823 00:34:05,970 --> 00:34:03,970 little bit past spooky as well because 824 00:34:07,650 --> 00:34:05,980 it's right next to all this isn't it 825 00:34:09,389 --> 00:34:07,660 yeah I mean if you found one way and 826 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:09,399 look you can see blocks of flats in a 827 00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:11,290 modern school and then a bunions and 828 00:34:15,570 --> 00:34:14,169 it's just an expanse of fields really so 829 00:34:17,669 --> 00:34:15,580 this is beyond the edge of the city 830 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:17,679 and even though hollows expanded greatly 831 00:34:21,060 --> 00:34:18,970 around that power 832 00:34:22,830 --> 00:34:21,070 it hasn't that back is still right on 833 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:22,840 the edge of the the country yeah right 834 00:34:27,270 --> 00:34:24,970 near the Greenbelt so you can stamp down 835 00:34:27,930 --> 00:34:27,280 a plane and look out into the vast vast 836 00:34:30,780 --> 00:34:27,940 nothingness 837 00:34:34,110 --> 00:34:30,790 you're not only interested in in UFOs 838 00:34:36,690 --> 00:34:34,120 and ghosts you're actually well I know 839 00:34:41,100 --> 00:34:36,700 for a fact that you you're actually seen 840 00:34:44,030 --> 00:34:41,110 as one of the authorities on a certain 841 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:44,040 gentleman from London who in the late 842 00:34:46,740 --> 00:34:46,090 18-hundreds became known as Jack the 843 00:34:49,710 --> 00:34:46,750 Ripper 844 00:34:51,659 --> 00:34:49,720 well was he from London Mike and I mean 845 00:34:54,419 --> 00:34:51,669 basically when I came to the Jack the 846 00:34:57,150 --> 00:34:54,429 Ripper case this was this was again from 847 00:34:59,160 --> 00:34:57,160 my dad and he had his own ferret in his 848 00:35:00,540 --> 00:34:59,170 own stories and he set me on his knee 849 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:00,550 and was a kid and tell me all these 850 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:03,450 stories and then as you pointed to and 851 00:35:09,060 --> 00:35:06,970 research these and one of his theories 852 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:09,070 was that it was a doctor that lived on 853 00:35:14,070 --> 00:35:11,650 Church Street in drop off which is no 854 00:35:15,450 --> 00:35:14,080 longer there and but I found out what it 855 00:35:17,700 --> 00:35:15,460 was actually talking about was a guy who 856 00:35:19,580 --> 00:35:17,710 was from Church Street in school Kurth 857 00:35:23,010 --> 00:35:19,590 which is at the other side of the river 858 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:23,020 yeah and I just started researching the 859 00:35:27,390 --> 00:35:24,970 connections between these individuals 860 00:35:30,060 --> 00:35:27,400 and the kids and these individuals and 861 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:30,070 hope and I uncovered 14 different 862 00:35:35,700 --> 00:35:32,410 suspects from whole with with links to 863 00:35:38,790 --> 00:35:35,710 the Jack the Ripper case from notorious 864 00:35:42,660 --> 00:35:38,800 multiple murderers and all the way down 865 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:42,670 to you know thief's writers researchers 866 00:35:48,090 --> 00:35:45,610 and you know under to this fasten it and 867 00:35:50,460 --> 00:35:48,100 then it's really took it's been such a 868 00:35:51,900 --> 00:35:50,470 laugh and researching them because it 869 00:35:53,490 --> 00:35:51,910 stopped me on such a weird journey you 870 00:35:54,660 --> 00:35:53,500 know one minute I'm in London lecturing 871 00:35:56,700 --> 00:35:54,670 about them the next minute I'm at a 872 00:35:58,230 --> 00:35:56,710 school talking to school kids because in 873 00:36:01,470 --> 00:35:58,240 howl at them and each other.if is on the 874 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:03,300 yeah so kids my daughter Kayla from 875 00:36:06,420 --> 00:36:04,570 school the adventure was like you'll 876 00:36:09,510 --> 00:36:06,430 never guess what and she was doing Jack 877 00:36:12,570 --> 00:36:09,520 the Ripper i sat down about 200 books on 878 00:36:14,370 --> 00:36:12,580 an against a day girl read them but yeah 879 00:36:16,260 --> 00:36:14,380 and it's I mean it's a fascinating case 880 00:36:18,990 --> 00:36:16,270 it's weird as well because one of the 881 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:19,000 guys was resection was crumpled he lived 882 00:36:23,370 --> 00:36:20,890 in school cause he live near Babson 883 00:36:25,950 --> 00:36:23,380 drain and an eva at first I was about 884 00:36:27,540 --> 00:36:25,960 Bam's to the drain and and he also wet 885 00:36:29,460 --> 00:36:27,550 and white forget as well so there's a 886 00:36:32,670 --> 00:36:29,470 lot of local links and between this 887 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:32,680 individual and it was it was linked to 888 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:35,650 people like Aleister Crowley Madame 889 00:36:39,420 --> 00:36:37,330 Blavatsky you know all these kind of 890 00:36:41,670 --> 00:36:39,430 weird and wonderful people from this it 891 00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:41,680 the spiritualism and theosophy movements 892 00:36:46,830 --> 00:36:44,050 and stuff like that so it was a really 893 00:36:49,109 --> 00:36:46,840 interesting character you know 894 00:36:51,300 --> 00:36:49,119 absolutely fascinating and I don't think 895 00:36:53,820 --> 00:36:51,310 he was Jack the Ripper well as a person 896 00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:53,830 as an individual he is just fascinate 897 00:36:59,520 --> 00:36:55,330 and he wrote what we had stuff from 898 00:37:02,099 --> 00:36:59,530 black magic and it returns the Rashomon 899 00:37:03,990 --> 00:37:02,109 levity he reckons he was asleep in Paris 900 00:37:05,490 --> 00:37:04,000 where his body well company was in 901 00:37:08,340 --> 00:37:05,500 Germany and and all this kind of stuff 902 00:37:11,849 --> 00:37:08,350 on it you really really fantastic and a 903 00:37:13,170 --> 00:37:11,859 Victorian crime suspect there Mike II 904 00:37:15,870 --> 00:37:13,180 know you've done all this research and 905 00:37:17,820 --> 00:37:15,880 jugglery but I remember when I think the 906 00:37:19,830 --> 00:37:17,830 only time we met the second first time I 907 00:37:22,650 --> 00:37:19,840 beg your pardon I asked you if you've 908 00:37:24,450 --> 00:37:22,660 got a prime suspect the reason I ask is 909 00:37:29,490 --> 00:37:24,460 because I've got I've got an old friend 910 00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:29,500 sadly Zillah is ill and the one thing in 911 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:33,130 this field that fascinates him is Jack 912 00:37:36,690 --> 00:37:33,850 the Ripper 913 00:37:39,330 --> 00:37:36,700 yeah and you know he's got he's not an 914 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:39,340 expert it's just you know an interest in 915 00:37:49,380 --> 00:37:44,890 it was it come on well if I knew that 916 00:37:50,130 --> 00:37:49,390 I'd be a millionaire a prime suspect 917 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:50,140 Percy 918 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:51,490 I like I like looking at the genealogy 919 00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:53,050 side of them and where they came from 920 00:37:58,290 --> 00:37:54,970 and what what what did you didn't away 921 00:37:59,340 --> 00:37:58,300 from and why they're suspect and one of 922 00:38:00,780 --> 00:37:59,350 the most interesting people I've 923 00:38:04,109 --> 00:38:00,790 researched was Frederick Billy diamond 924 00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:04,119 Damian was a multiple murderer and he 925 00:38:07,710 --> 00:38:06,130 killed his first wife and four kids he 926 00:38:10,859 --> 00:38:07,720 killed his third wife he was a bigamist 927 00:38:12,710 --> 00:38:10,869 and he was in Hall at one point it got 928 00:38:15,300 --> 00:38:12,720 sent to prison for nine bombs 929 00:38:16,950 --> 00:38:15,310 fraud when he came out 930 00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:16,960 was married down the road with a throat 931 00:38:22,380 --> 00:38:19,570 cook and she was a bit of a character 932 00:38:24,780 --> 00:38:22,390 and in 1892 he was arrested in Australia 933 00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:24,790 the police eventually caught him and it 934 00:38:29,430 --> 00:38:26,170 came out that it was supposedly in 935 00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:29,440 Whitechapel in 1888 a dressmaker said 936 00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:31,810 she could identify him and a gentleman 937 00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:33,970 in Canada said it seemed imminent they 938 00:38:36,660 --> 00:38:35,050 were Napa letters from one of the 939 00:38:39,180 --> 00:38:36,670 victims and there was a lot of 940 00:38:40,770 --> 00:38:39,190 circumstantial evidence and but the 941 00:38:42,060 --> 00:38:40,780 authorities just kind of cleared it down 942 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:42,070 I mean they've got the man for one of 943 00:38:47,370 --> 00:38:44,290 them there so they destroy him in 1892 944 00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:47,380 and that was yeah and do you think it 945 00:38:52,590 --> 00:38:50,770 was one person man I know I know one 946 00:38:54,870 --> 00:38:52,600 piece I read it and I haven't read much 947 00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:54,880 out almost a bit I'd admit that Mike 948 00:38:59,220 --> 00:38:56,650 that the ranking that there may be 949 00:39:02,940 --> 00:38:59,230 multiple murderers that some of them 950 00:39:06,270 --> 00:39:02,950 were copycat for want of a better word 951 00:39:08,490 --> 00:39:06,280 or that the the police just lump them 952 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:08,500 all together at the time because that 953 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:10,330 you know that nothing that couldn't 954 00:39:13,110 --> 00:39:10,930 figure it out 955 00:39:14,850 --> 00:39:13,120 anyway you think there was just one 956 00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:14,860 person involved I wonder several 957 00:39:19,020 --> 00:39:17,170 murderers and well this is the thing he 958 00:39:21,900 --> 00:39:19,030 said this is this is quite an old theory 959 00:39:25,170 --> 00:39:21,910 basically that the idea is that things 960 00:39:27,150 --> 00:39:25,180 like Elizabeth Strad for example some 961 00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:27,160 people believe that she was killed by a 962 00:39:31,230 --> 00:39:29,530 partner at the time and he just killed 963 00:39:32,700 --> 00:39:31,240 her in such a fashion that she would be 964 00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:32,710 linked him with with the Jack the Ripper 965 00:39:37,140 --> 00:39:35,170 murders and some people argue that the 966 00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:37,150 final victim Mary Kelly 967 00:39:41,310 --> 00:39:39,370 it wasn't even Mary Kelly that Mary 968 00:39:42,930 --> 00:39:41,320 Kelly was seen by eyewitnesses in the 969 00:39:45,150 --> 00:39:42,940 street after the Nazareth murder was 970 00:39:46,740 --> 00:39:45,160 supposedly taken place so some people 971 00:39:48,660 --> 00:39:46,750 believe that the victim in there wasn't 972 00:39:50,490 --> 00:39:48,670 air but someone else and then some 973 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:50,500 people linked that matter to another 974 00:39:55,230 --> 00:39:52,330 individual so there's all these theories 975 00:39:57,270 --> 00:39:55,240 about who it was and you know and it's 976 00:39:58,800 --> 00:39:57,280 it's it's fascinating because it's when 977 00:40:00,870 --> 00:39:58,810 you get involved in that the minutiae of 978 00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:00,880 all these individuals and what they were 979 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:02,770 doing and why they were in Whitechapel 980 00:40:07,650 --> 00:40:05,770 at that time and you know this serve I 981 00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:07,660 mean there's the last book that came out 982 00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:09,610 on suspects out of a three hundred 983 00:40:15,690 --> 00:40:12,610 suspects in no I you know when you 984 00:40:17,850 --> 00:40:15,700 better call that big it's just crazy 985 00:40:20,610 --> 00:40:17,860 you know I'm a my right am i right in 986 00:40:24,750 --> 00:40:20,620 saying I think my pal told me that one 987 00:40:29,100 --> 00:40:24,760 of the suspects was was polish his their 988 00:40:32,220 --> 00:40:29,110 son and Kosminski was a Polish Jew 989 00:40:34,410 --> 00:40:32,230 which gentleman a couple years ago a 990 00:40:36,870 --> 00:40:34,420 theory came out that did found a shop 991 00:40:39,150 --> 00:40:36,880 and on the shoulder was DNA evidence 992 00:40:40,590 --> 00:40:39,160 that kozminski was Jack the Ripper and 993 00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:40,600 this produced the book which was a 994 00:40:45,030 --> 00:40:41,770 best-seller 995 00:40:47,790 --> 00:40:45,040 it produced a museum with affiliated 996 00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:47,800 tours and then it actually came out that 997 00:40:51,420 --> 00:40:49,450 the D and there wasn't as 998 00:40:54,900 --> 00:40:51,430 hundred-percent as they made out in the 999 00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:54,910 book it was actually flawed and the the 1000 00:40:59,250 --> 00:40:57,370 item that they tested the shot we'd 1001 00:41:01,710 --> 00:40:59,260 actually tested it before that for a TV 1002 00:41:02,490 --> 00:41:01,720 show and we couldn't find any valuable 1003 00:41:05,190 --> 00:41:02,500 DNA on it 1004 00:41:06,690 --> 00:41:05,200 and also the shawl itself has no real 1005 00:41:09,510 --> 00:41:06,700 provenance there was no evidence 1006 00:41:11,250 --> 00:41:09,520 connecting it to the data pocket because 1007 00:41:13,140 --> 00:41:11,260 the police officer supposedly had it in 1008 00:41:16,380 --> 00:41:13,150 his possession wasn't linked to the East 1009 00:41:17,730 --> 00:41:16,390 End of London and so it's all and it 1010 00:41:20,100 --> 00:41:17,740 wasn't even a Charlotte was a terrible 1011 00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:20,110 so why is it Mike I mean you know you 1012 00:41:26,550 --> 00:41:22,210 can pretty much go around the world and 1013 00:41:28,470 --> 00:41:26,560 a mention Jack the Ripper and people 1014 00:41:30,180 --> 00:41:28,480 will know of the phrase if that if not a 1015 00:41:33,210 --> 00:41:30,190 lot about the case what is he about the 1016 00:41:36,750 --> 00:41:33,220 the Jack the Ripper murders that that 1017 00:41:39,870 --> 00:41:36,760 makes it stand out and be such a such a 1018 00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:39,880 hot topic of debate even today well I 1019 00:41:43,530 --> 00:41:41,290 think one of the reasons is you were 1020 00:41:45,720 --> 00:41:43,540 never caught and I think the other 1021 00:41:47,820 --> 00:41:45,730 reason is that if you go for the history 1022 00:41:51,030 --> 00:41:47,830 of Great Britain it was kind of one of 1023 00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:51,040 the first serial murderers that actually 1024 00:41:56,220 --> 00:41:54,130 had this massive media attention and you 1025 00:41:57,930 --> 00:41:56,230 know brand-new newspapers were formed 1026 00:41:59,430 --> 00:41:57,940 just to cover Jack the Ripper 1027 00:42:01,050 --> 00:41:59,440 in the East End Erland and there were 1028 00:42:03,630 --> 00:42:01,060 two or three newspapers published and by 1029 00:42:04,950 --> 00:42:03,640 the end of it was it octane you know so 1030 00:42:09,180 --> 00:42:04,960 what he's saying is it was it was 1031 00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:09,190 saleable yeah yeah it was the name you 1032 00:42:12,660 --> 00:42:10,570 know some people believe the name was 1033 00:42:16,350 --> 00:42:12,670 created by an enterprising journalist 1034 00:42:18,630 --> 00:42:16,360 who'd written the letter himself that's 1035 00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:18,640 called himself Jack the Ripper and done 1036 00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:20,170 it just to sell newspapers 1037 00:42:24,660 --> 00:42:22,930 well they're exactly the same with with 1038 00:42:27,030 --> 00:42:24,670 Kenneth Donald and flying saucers 1039 00:42:29,130 --> 00:42:27,040 Kenneth Arnold did never said I saw a 1040 00:42:32,490 --> 00:42:29,140 flying saucer that phrase was invented 1041 00:42:34,620 --> 00:42:32,500 by a journalist oh yeah yeah a lot of 1042 00:42:36,870 --> 00:42:34,630 the stories that's an important I've 1043 00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:36,880 told a story and then when you read it 1044 00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:38,650 in the paper it's completely different 1045 00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:40,570 and it makes you laugh because you know 1046 00:42:45,720 --> 00:42:42,850 some of the cases I've worked on the 1047 00:42:47,490 --> 00:42:45,730 Humber see seven in one of them when the 1048 00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:47,500 newspaper reports that again published 1049 00:42:54,030 --> 00:42:49,210 it says mike is the head of the Humber 1050 00:42:58,950 --> 00:42:54,040 monster watch no I mean I can believe 1051 00:43:03,000 --> 00:42:58,960 that Mike if you gotta set it up me I'm 1052 00:43:07,140 --> 00:43:03,010 sorry how many people are in the home at 1053 00:43:09,180 --> 00:43:07,150 one for what to my son and I just said 1054 00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:09,190 there's just me and my son and she said 1055 00:43:13,890 --> 00:43:12,130 actually and Phil you know and the body 1056 00:43:16,260 --> 00:43:13,900 and Tam's wrote and I act cool about it 1057 00:43:18,210 --> 00:43:16,270 and said then even though the creatures 1058 00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:18,220 not been seen for seven years Mike still 1059 00:43:22,110 --> 00:43:19,930 walks up and down the hall back which 1060 00:43:24,240 --> 00:43:22,120 could have been from the truth but you 1061 00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:24,250 know it's so funny because they've done 1062 00:43:28,890 --> 00:43:25,930 it with a lot of my stories that there 1063 00:43:30,630 --> 00:43:28,900 was one where I was in the cemetery a 1064 00:43:34,230 --> 00:43:30,640 few years ago and I spotted a young 1065 00:43:36,900 --> 00:43:34,240 gentleman and a young lad 8 and they 1066 00:43:39,630 --> 00:43:36,910 were they were making a movie 1067 00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:39,640 no they weren't wearing many clothes and 1068 00:43:43,170 --> 00:43:40,930 they were in the middle of lovemaking 1069 00:43:46,650 --> 00:43:43,180 and at the time it was just my friend 1070 00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:46,660 and myself and must break I'm you know 1071 00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:48,490 I'm sorry general I'm laughing Mike 1072 00:43:54,060 --> 00:43:50,050 because I knew you was going to mention 1073 00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:54,070 this was a genuine that event that 1074 00:43:57,810 --> 00:43:55,570 happened my friend saw these people 1075 00:43:59,430 --> 00:43:57,820 filming this this pond filled one said 1076 00:44:02,250 --> 00:43:59,440 don't look now but there's a naked lady 1077 00:44:04,530 --> 00:44:02,260 in the cemetery oh well just a very 1078 00:44:06,990 --> 00:44:04,540 shocked because you know she's naked and 1079 00:44:08,430 --> 00:44:07,000 the guy's neck in the film crew and my 1080 00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:08,440 friend Terry shouted it and then the 1081 00:44:12,410 --> 00:44:10,330 next you know by the time ends up in the 1082 00:44:15,780 --> 00:44:12,420 newspaper it said that 1083 00:44:16,860 --> 00:44:15,790 Holger stone is investigating Cemetery 1084 00:44:18,240 --> 00:44:16,870 in the middle of the night which wasn't 1085 00:44:21,240 --> 00:44:18,250 through it's the middle of the day and 1086 00:44:23,190 --> 00:44:21,250 and it is with all these people and the 1087 00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:23,200 invented to complete cast of characters 1088 00:44:27,450 --> 00:44:25,290 there was an old man shaking his stick 1089 00:44:29,250 --> 00:44:27,460 you know there was all these people with 1090 00:44:31,710 --> 00:44:29,260 me and it wasn't like that it was so 1091 00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:31,720 funny because when we feel paranormal 1092 00:44:36,090 --> 00:44:34,210 lockdown in Pontefract the first time I 1093 00:44:38,310 --> 00:44:36,100 met Nick ruff from Ghost Adventures and 1094 00:44:39,720 --> 00:44:38,320 paranormal lockdown it walks up to me 1095 00:44:47,610 --> 00:44:39,730 and shook my hand and he said the other 1096 00:44:49,230 --> 00:44:47,620 cemetery fungi it just shows you really 1097 00:44:53,450 --> 00:44:49,240 doesn't sit though you know we can't 1098 00:44:55,940 --> 00:44:53,460 trust any forms of media really you know 1099 00:44:58,250 --> 00:44:55,950 if all they're interested in is getting 1100 00:45:00,140 --> 00:44:58,260 its it's like certain movies it's 1101 00:45:02,450 --> 00:45:00,150 getting bums on seats getting people to 1102 00:45:04,370 --> 00:45:02,460 read and that's why they have these 1103 00:45:06,710 --> 00:45:04,380 fantastic headlines you know like Freddy 1104 00:45:08,410 --> 00:45:06,720 star it matter and for those who don't 1105 00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:08,420 know Freddy star is you know he's a 1106 00:45:14,510 --> 00:45:11,130 comedian it was quite popular in the 70s 1107 00:45:16,720 --> 00:45:14,520 and 80s he's a singer from the sixties 1108 00:45:20,329 --> 00:45:16,730 who you know went to went to comedy and 1109 00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:20,339 one of the Atlanta's EMI Amster which is 1110 00:45:23,720 --> 00:45:23,130 completely and utterly untrue but it was 1111 00:45:30,770 --> 00:45:23,730 fun 1112 00:45:32,420 --> 00:45:30,780 to sell newspapers I also it does happen 1113 00:45:34,670 --> 00:45:32,430 a lot Mike you're absolutely right I 1114 00:45:37,250 --> 00:45:34,680 also know Mike am I mean you mentioned 1115 00:45:39,530 --> 00:45:37,260 BAM stander in there a moment ago as we 1116 00:45:43,790 --> 00:45:39,540 call it in whole and remember there's no 1117 00:45:45,980 --> 00:45:43,800 itching hole and we call it balmy drain 1118 00:45:47,990 --> 00:45:45,990 and you mentioned I know you've 1119 00:45:51,559 --> 00:45:48,000 investigated the Beast of BAM stand 1120 00:45:56,150 --> 00:45:51,569 drain now I will say from about 1960 two 1121 00:45:59,000 --> 00:45:56,160 or three up to 1970-71 I actually live 1122 00:46:01,760 --> 00:45:59,010 down school courts Lynn on Baumol Street 1123 00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:01,770 which was the street and right next to 1124 00:46:05,780 --> 00:46:03,930 BAM stand rain in that area near the 1125 00:46:10,549 --> 00:46:05,790 older you'll know it maker the old 1126 00:46:14,630 --> 00:46:10,559 needless chocolate yep and you know I 1127 00:46:17,180 --> 00:46:14,640 never ever ever add one story about old 1128 00:46:18,650 --> 00:46:17,190 stinker Doolittle is about old stinker 1129 00:46:22,910 --> 00:46:18,660 Mike and well again this is another one 1130 00:46:25,609 --> 00:46:22,920 old stinker is ma up towards and Paul 1131 00:46:28,190 --> 00:46:25,619 Sinclair's neck of the woods and yeah 1132 00:46:29,870 --> 00:46:28,200 what happened was a friend of mine had 1133 00:46:32,539 --> 00:46:29,880 seen something on school coach Lynn and 1134 00:46:33,829 --> 00:46:32,549 it asked me to put a call out to see 1135 00:46:36,349 --> 00:46:33,839 what the people had seen something 1136 00:46:39,109 --> 00:46:36,359 similar now what he saw was a girly boy 1137 00:46:41,569 --> 00:46:39,119 coming from one of the cemeteries so I 1138 00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:41,579 put a status on Facebook and said has 1139 00:46:45,380 --> 00:46:43,290 anyone seen anything weird on school 1140 00:46:47,450 --> 00:46:45,390 coach Lynn and I was inundated the 1141 00:46:49,010 --> 00:46:47,460 people saying that on bounced and drill 1142 00:46:52,970 --> 00:46:49,020 it seemed something that they could only 1143 00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:52,980 describe as a creature so when pushed 1144 00:46:56,650 --> 00:46:54,690 further I said what sort of creature now 1145 00:46:58,700 --> 00:46:56,660 some people said it was like a big giant 1146 00:47:01,520 --> 00:46:58,710 some people said it was like a very 1147 00:47:03,170 --> 00:47:01,530 hairy man and which if you ever saw us 1148 00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:03,180 on damage or in on a night you'll see a 1149 00:47:08,420 --> 00:47:05,130 lot of anywhere and then some people 1150 00:47:10,789 --> 00:47:08,430 said if as a shapeshifter 1151 00:47:12,559 --> 00:47:10,799 and I ended up with 14 different departs 1152 00:47:13,999 --> 00:47:12,569 from 14 individuals that were all 1153 00:47:16,549 --> 00:47:14,009 unknown to each other while describing 1154 00:47:20,599 --> 00:47:16,559 the same thing on a very small stretch 1155 00:47:22,999 --> 00:47:20,609 between wing kamli and school courts Lin 1156 00:47:23,539 --> 00:47:23,009 which unit you can walk the area in ten 1157 00:47:26,299 --> 00:47:23,549 minutes 1158 00:47:27,739 --> 00:47:26,309 and then people were seeing it from cars 1159 00:47:30,229 --> 00:47:27,749 they were seeing it as they were walking 1160 00:47:34,549 --> 00:47:30,239 on an ie and one of them had seen it on 1161 00:47:35,989 --> 00:47:34,559 a bike and then basically what happened 1162 00:47:37,309 --> 00:47:35,999 was I wrote a report about this for the 1163 00:47:38,870 --> 00:47:37,319 whole Daily Mail and said this is what 1164 00:47:40,339 --> 00:47:38,880 people are seeing has anyone else seen 1165 00:47:43,130 --> 00:47:40,349 it in a bid to get people to come 1166 00:47:45,289 --> 00:47:43,140 forward and share their story and then 1167 00:47:47,509 --> 00:47:45,299 the national media got older this and 1168 00:47:49,190 --> 00:47:47,519 they've actually put the theory forward 1169 00:47:50,599 --> 00:47:49,200 that this was all skincare based on the 1170 00:47:53,720 --> 00:47:50,609 fact that bouncing Korean goes all the 1171 00:47:55,970 --> 00:47:53,730 way up to BAM Stern which is quite 1172 00:47:57,259 --> 00:47:55,980 they're not far from flicks this which 1173 00:47:57,979 --> 00:47:57,269 of course is where well sinker was 1174 00:47:59,809 --> 00:47:57,989 knocking about 1175 00:48:02,569 --> 00:47:59,819 so they put someone's all together at 1176 00:48:04,819 --> 00:48:02,579 court was sick and so they kind of put 1177 00:48:08,029 --> 00:48:04,829 them two legends together and you know 1178 00:48:10,339 --> 00:48:08,039 made their own little story and then it 1179 00:48:11,569 --> 00:48:10,349 was really funny because the the story 1180 00:48:12,979 --> 00:48:11,579 was originally published in the whole 1181 00:48:16,700 --> 00:48:12,989 Daily Mail I believe it went on a Friday 1182 00:48:19,430 --> 00:48:16,710 and then it that weekend it gone barrel 1183 00:48:20,989 --> 00:48:19,440 you know it was all over it was on it 1184 00:48:22,370 --> 00:48:20,999 was in all the national newspapers it 1185 00:48:25,609 --> 00:48:22,380 was in all the tabloids it was on 1186 00:48:27,650 --> 00:48:25,619 hundreds of blogs and people were coming 1187 00:48:29,450 --> 00:48:27,660 from all over to try and look for it it 1188 00:48:30,620 --> 00:48:29,460 was actually a group that came out to 1189 00:48:33,319 --> 00:48:30,630 bounce from dream where it's near 1190 00:48:34,670 --> 00:48:33,329 Beverly and they went to ask then bought 1191 00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:34,680 a chicken and hung a chickens on the 1192 00:48:38,769 --> 00:48:36,690 bridge then wondered why nothing 1193 00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:38,779 happened because that's not where to say 1194 00:48:44,269 --> 00:48:42,450 there was actually in the media it was 1195 00:48:45,979 --> 00:48:44,279 kind of a bit tongue-in-cheek really 1196 00:48:47,479 --> 00:48:45,989 because the British media was sort of 1197 00:48:48,829 --> 00:48:47,489 senior this is growing all and the walk 1198 00:48:51,499 --> 00:48:48,839 around a lake with torch and pitchforks 1199 00:48:53,390 --> 00:48:51,509 and and it wasn't like that all it was 1200 00:48:54,650 --> 00:48:53,400 literally like a paranormal 1201 00:48:57,259 --> 00:48:54,660 investigation we had night-vision 1202 00:48:59,329 --> 00:48:57,269 cameras and stuff didn't found anything 1203 00:49:02,120 --> 00:48:59,339 we found a few things that not really 1204 00:49:03,470 --> 00:49:02,130 conclusive but interested and then I 1205 00:49:05,569 --> 00:49:03,480 sort of said to the media 1206 00:49:06,739 --> 00:49:05,579 look why did you come and join the hunt 1207 00:49:08,690 --> 00:49:06,749 why don't you come with us and see what 1208 00:49:10,759 --> 00:49:08,700 we can found together and they came to 1209 00:49:11,989 --> 00:49:10,769 hold and I took them down BAM sand drain 1210 00:49:15,710 --> 00:49:11,999 in the middle of the night and as we got 1211 00:49:17,839 --> 00:49:15,720 to the bottom of fountain were the sorry 1212 00:49:20,870 --> 00:49:17,849 Stephanie Lynn and there was some 1213 00:49:23,780 --> 00:49:20,880 movement in some bushes and 1214 00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:23,790 we went sort of level with this movement 1215 00:49:28,430 --> 00:49:25,650 and wish on the torch across and we 1216 00:49:31,540 --> 00:49:28,440 could see green eyeshade coming back but 1217 00:49:34,970 --> 00:49:31,550 it whatever it was had a big edge and 1218 00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:34,980 I'm Charles Richardson was there with us 1219 00:49:39,380 --> 00:49:37,170 he's written a few books on foil and 1220 00:49:41,420 --> 00:49:39,390 stuff like that and he couldn't add them 1221 00:49:42,890 --> 00:49:41,430 that you buy his rifles there she's 1222 00:49:44,510 --> 00:49:42,900 really good an animal tracking and stuff 1223 00:49:46,010 --> 00:49:44,520 she couldn't identify it and that's 1224 00:49:47,990 --> 00:49:46,020 where watching another one pops up next 1225 00:49:49,940 --> 00:49:48,000 to it so these two creatures looking at 1226 00:49:51,710 --> 00:49:49,950 as we don't want the act at AER amount 1227 00:49:54,460 --> 00:49:51,720 of the assemble well to me the end that 1228 00:49:58,310 --> 00:49:54,470 all of our lifetime school cause women 1229 00:49:59,840 --> 00:49:58,320 and said no why did you run and they 1230 00:50:01,850 --> 00:49:59,850 said we'll with every parts you can jump 1231 00:50:03,020 --> 00:50:01,860 over the drain and the next day in all 1232 00:50:05,060 --> 00:50:03,030 fairness to and they actually published 1233 00:50:06,830 --> 00:50:05,070 the report as it happened and said look 1234 00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:06,840 this is what we found was sorry we agree 1235 00:50:13,580 --> 00:50:11,010 now what they were and and then you know 1236 00:50:15,170 --> 00:50:13,590 TV shows got involved I took most TV out 1237 00:50:17,780 --> 00:50:15,180 we've got some compelling evidence we 1238 00:50:20,180 --> 00:50:17,790 there was a big bang in a very wooded 1239 00:50:21,770 --> 00:50:20,190 undergrowth area and it's it sounded 1240 00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:21,780 like something logic to fallen from a 1241 00:50:24,740 --> 00:50:23,490 tree and this was in the middle of the 1242 00:50:27,140 --> 00:50:24,750 night it was about midnight it's 1243 00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:27,150 powering down were red and the cameraman 1244 00:50:30,590 --> 00:50:28,530 turn round and be out and was a 1245 00:50:32,690 --> 00:50:30,600 gentleman struggling sharps and th 1246 00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:32,700 watching us in a middle of this really 1247 00:50:36,980 --> 00:50:35,010 wooded area and he just kind of looked 1248 00:50:39,260 --> 00:50:36,990 and walked off so that the film crews 1249 00:50:41,570 --> 00:50:39,270 were really freaking out about it and 1250 00:50:43,970 --> 00:50:41,580 and then we went a little bit fair there 1251 00:50:46,130 --> 00:50:43,980 and you could hear dogs howling and 1252 00:50:47,450 --> 00:50:46,140 stuff it was quite eerie you know I know 1253 00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:47,460 school courts learn you'll know you 1254 00:50:52,330 --> 00:50:48,690 something's all the cemeteries around 1255 00:50:54,350 --> 00:50:52,340 there and so that for the atmosphere and 1256 00:50:55,940 --> 00:50:54,360 when they showed it on film they 1257 00:50:57,350 --> 00:50:55,950 actually showed it as a asum that I was 1258 00:50:58,700 --> 00:50:57,360 really surprised about that because I 1259 00:51:01,400 --> 00:50:58,710 thought they were gonna turn the covers 1260 00:51:03,650 --> 00:51:01,410 a little bit and we've just recently 1261 00:51:05,780 --> 00:51:03,660 shot with the Travel Channel with film 1262 00:51:07,550 --> 00:51:05,790 monster lands werewolf alone countless 1263 00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:07,560 with them watching yes that's just aired 1264 00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:09,930 in the US it's not been unimportant yet 1265 00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:12,090 so I've yet to watch that but I did have 1266 00:51:15,710 --> 00:51:13,530 a friend contract mean she said that 1267 00:51:18,910 --> 00:51:15,720 she'd watch getting seen it in there it 1268 00:51:21,650 --> 00:51:18,920 went down quite well and we've had 1269 00:51:23,420 --> 00:51:21,660 people from all walks of life come down 1270 00:51:24,940 --> 00:51:23,430 from you know students famine all 1271 00:51:28,070 --> 00:51:24,950 investigators 1272 00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:28,080 cryptozoologists animal expert and we 1273 00:51:32,780 --> 00:51:30,090 found stuff we found thousands of big 1274 00:51:34,190 --> 00:51:32,790 piles of scat and we found a grave that 1275 00:51:40,339 --> 00:51:34,200 was welcomed with scratch mark 1276 00:51:42,290 --> 00:51:40,349 yeah there with some animals that are 1277 00:51:44,930 --> 00:51:42,300 ripped apart just completely shredded 1278 00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:44,940 and all that's left is blood and fat and 1279 00:51:48,410 --> 00:51:46,890 we found quite a lot of that along the 1280 00:51:50,630 --> 00:51:48,420 drill and martial arts awards and 1281 00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:50,640 cemeteries on school cross where we 1282 00:51:54,500 --> 00:51:52,010 don't know what's causing this 1283 00:51:56,450 --> 00:51:54,510 so yeah it's rich a really bizarre kiss 1284 00:51:59,150 --> 00:51:56,460 I don't personally believe there's a 1285 00:52:01,280 --> 00:51:59,160 werewolf out well the evidence that 1286 00:52:02,450 --> 00:52:01,290 people are coming forward with it's 1287 00:52:04,490 --> 00:52:02,460 quite compelling you know in these 1288 00:52:06,740 --> 00:52:04,500 reports go right back yeah at least one 1289 00:52:09,020 --> 00:52:06,750 I think we had was from the 50s when the 1290 00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:09,030 old rail where land was there and we've 1291 00:52:12,740 --> 00:52:11,010 had people yeah I would a gentleman from 1292 00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:12,750 the whole city council dangerous dogs 1293 00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:14,130 Department going to church and said see 1294 00:52:17,930 --> 00:52:15,570 he's been called out because someone had 1295 00:52:19,730 --> 00:52:17,940 seen a war on bounced and drained Joe in 1296 00:52:24,230 --> 00:52:19,740 the 1980s and when he's got down to the 1297 00:52:26,180 --> 00:52:24,240 dream and people were visibly shaken and 1298 00:52:28,460 --> 00:52:26,190 but when he got there we could find no 1299 00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:28,470 evidence of it and and then you know we 1300 00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:30,810 sports of the guy who was at the garage 1301 00:52:35,810 --> 00:52:33,690 the MRT carriage and they said that 1302 00:52:36,829 --> 00:52:35,820 repolish stuff and I did a lecture it 1303 00:52:38,180 --> 00:52:36,839 not in a minute the end the guy 1304 00:52:39,710 --> 00:52:38,190 approached me and said to II used to 1305 00:52:42,079 --> 00:52:39,720 live on school cutaway little up body 1306 00:52:43,819 --> 00:52:42,089 and he remember us walking down down the 1307 00:52:46,430 --> 00:52:43,829 track to build a bank with his friends 1308 00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:46,440 and he went through the undergrowth when 1309 00:52:50,780 --> 00:52:48,210 studying something that was all sloppy 1310 00:52:52,970 --> 00:52:50,790 and really hot and he looked down and he 1311 00:52:54,500 --> 00:52:52,980 said there was the cactus of a wall but 1312 00:52:55,490 --> 00:52:54,510 it refused to tell his mom and that 1313 00:52:57,620 --> 00:52:55,500 because he thought I'd get in trouble 1314 00:52:59,420 --> 00:52:57,630 and it's your things like that way you'd 1315 00:53:02,950 --> 00:52:59,430 sure close to the evidence but then so 1316 00:53:05,410 --> 00:53:02,960 far away so that was quite a few and 1317 00:53:08,109 --> 00:53:05,420 it's like it's like searching for 1318 00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:08,119 Bigfoot into or the Sasquatch you know 1319 00:53:13,730 --> 00:53:10,410 evidence seems to be there to suggest 1320 00:53:15,500 --> 00:53:13,740 but nothing is ever conclusive 1321 00:53:17,150 --> 00:53:15,510 you know what this is why we're all in 1322 00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:17,160 fascinating and interested in this 1323 00:53:21,140 --> 00:53:19,050 subject because we're all looking for 1324 00:53:23,210 --> 00:53:21,150 that evidence that's going to you know 1325 00:53:25,609 --> 00:53:23,220 hit the nail on the edge to put it 1326 00:53:27,620 --> 00:53:25,619 bluntly I mean like you know my cam you 1327 00:53:29,420 --> 00:53:27,630 know a live close to the grocery I also 1328 00:53:31,220 --> 00:53:29,430 used to live down Bournemouth straight 1329 00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:31,230 as I say which is at the end of school 1330 00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:33,450 courts learn those two graveyards you've 1331 00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:36,050 talked about I get to admit it now 1332 00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:37,770 perhaps with a little bit of 1333 00:53:42,470 --> 00:53:39,810 embarrassment that as a kid we used to 1334 00:53:45,829 --> 00:53:42,480 play in those graveyards but we'd never 1335 00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:45,839 ever aired anything about werewolves or 1336 00:53:49,310 --> 00:53:47,610 strange goings-on in 1337 00:53:51,620 --> 00:53:49,320 those areas and you know like I said 1338 00:53:53,660 --> 00:53:51,630 before I lived in those areas for maybe 1339 00:53:57,500 --> 00:53:53,670 89 years of my early years on this 1340 00:54:00,200 --> 00:53:57,510 planet and not once did I ever hear 1341 00:54:14,990 --> 00:54:00,210 anything about about this might be one 1342 00:54:16,430 --> 00:54:15,000 of your suspects I reckon so what kind 1343 00:54:21,050 --> 00:54:16,440 of things you planning now Mike what 1344 00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:21,060 what you doing looking at at the moment 1345 00:54:26,090 --> 00:54:23,610 I'm working on a new series of books and 1346 00:54:28,310 --> 00:54:26,100 they're part of a mike koval investigate 1347 00:54:31,370 --> 00:54:28,320 series I'm just about finished on one 1348 00:54:32,750 --> 00:54:31,380 about holes and legends you might have 1349 00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:32,760 seen me ask the question leave it there 1350 00:54:37,700 --> 00:54:34,530 just to get people to tease people a 1351 00:54:39,860 --> 00:54:37,710 little bit yeah what the people consider 1352 00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:39,870 holes urban legends and I've been 1353 00:54:43,340 --> 00:54:42,090 working on a investigation of the 1354 00:54:45,980 --> 00:54:43,350 screaming skull of that and I can 1355 00:54:49,790 --> 00:54:45,990 resolve that's just about finished and 1356 00:54:53,510 --> 00:54:49,800 and then recently I've just I've just 1357 00:54:58,940 --> 00:54:53,520 finished right in you see I've got that 1358 00:55:00,470 --> 00:54:58,950 many okay I've just completed a book 1359 00:55:03,650 --> 00:55:00,480 about Jack the Ripper's connections to 1360 00:55:05,270 --> 00:55:03,660 Beverly with you I've finished and I've 1361 00:55:08,060 --> 00:55:05,280 just finished writing a book about this 1362 00:55:10,940 --> 00:55:08,070 site in East Yorkshire and the reason 1363 00:55:12,770 --> 00:55:10,950 why a wet on that project is if you ever 1364 00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:12,780 pick up a book about Gerstein Archer to 1365 00:55:18,890 --> 00:55:15,930 talk about North Yorkshire and you know 1366 00:55:20,740 --> 00:55:18,900 you'll fan maybe and fairies drive in 1367 00:55:26,060 --> 00:55:20,750 West Yorkshire to talk about that 1368 00:55:27,950 --> 00:55:26,070 stuffing Leeds Whitby you know what 1369 00:55:30,050 --> 00:55:27,960 we'll never talk about East job chair we 1370 00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:30,060 always kind of get left out and I 1371 00:55:34,850 --> 00:55:32,010 thought it it warrant in a book of it 1372 00:55:36,410 --> 00:55:34,860 turn and then you know I thought we've 1373 00:55:39,070 --> 00:55:36,420 got there an agonist we've got there it 1374 00:55:42,020 --> 00:55:39,080 comes to ball you know got skip see 1375 00:55:45,590 --> 00:55:42,030 we've got a few tails railing that can 1376 00:55:49,700 --> 00:55:45,600 kind of fill a book and I ended up 1377 00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:49,710 police it's over 270 pages long and you 1378 00:55:53,750 --> 00:55:52,290 know there's a live in there and what I 1379 00:55:56,170 --> 00:55:53,760 did with that is I actually traveled 1380 00:55:58,670 --> 00:55:56,180 around and went to the villages and and 1381 00:56:00,620 --> 00:55:58,680 spoke to people in the villages and 1382 00:56:01,670 --> 00:56:00,630 that's great you know met a lot of 1383 00:56:04,250 --> 00:56:01,680 people and 1384 00:56:06,620 --> 00:56:04,260 and and it's like a census really of 1385 00:56:10,579 --> 00:56:06,630 course I Indonesia object and and again 1386 00:56:13,250 --> 00:56:10,589 absolutely sorry Mike I was just going 1387 00:56:15,410 --> 00:56:13,260 to say it is usually if we do get one 1388 00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:15,420 mentioned from East Yorkshire it's 1389 00:56:18,859 --> 00:56:16,890 usually the Burton Agnes 1390 00:56:20,569 --> 00:56:18,869 yeah event isn't it with it really at 1391 00:56:21,799 --> 00:56:20,579 the the school that's personally buried 1392 00:56:23,839 --> 00:56:21,809 in the wall there somewhere 1393 00:56:26,839 --> 00:56:23,849 well what I did with the bat and Agnes 1394 00:56:28,549 --> 00:56:26,849 one and I mean added estaba growing up 1395 00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:28,559 you know there's a screaming school up 1396 00:56:33,380 --> 00:56:31,770 there and act there and then I started 1397 00:56:35,029 --> 00:56:33,390 researching it and discovered that there 1398 00:56:37,099 --> 00:56:35,039 was quite a lot of different variations 1399 00:56:39,380 --> 00:56:37,109 on the story so I thought it'd be great 1400 00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:39,390 so I'm a book just full of every single 1401 00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:42,450 there yes chill on the story and at the 1402 00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:45,450 moment the book is almost finished it's 1403 00:56:51,500 --> 00:56:48,770 not completed it's 210 pages long and 1404 00:56:53,269 --> 00:56:51,510 but in terms of references and so for 1405 00:56:58,220 --> 00:56:53,279 400 references in there 400 different 1406 00:57:00,859 --> 00:56:58,230 story and you know all covering the the 1407 00:57:02,930 --> 00:57:00,869 idea of a screaming school and the weird 1408 00:57:05,930 --> 00:57:02,940 thing is you know the school supposedly 1409 00:57:08,569 --> 00:57:05,940 comes from the head of an Twitter it was 1410 00:57:10,700 --> 00:57:08,579 a a low lift at the hall and she was 1411 00:57:14,539 --> 00:57:10,710 murdered and she was buried in the 1412 00:57:17,539 --> 00:57:14,549 church then she was exhumed and and had 1413 00:57:18,980 --> 00:57:17,549 that was the owner of the hall and and I 1414 00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:18,990 went for the family tree of the family 1415 00:57:24,410 --> 00:57:20,690 and discovered that she don't even exist 1416 00:57:26,359 --> 00:57:24,420 there's no record of her edit there's no 1417 00:57:28,039 --> 00:57:26,369 record it was a justice of the peace he 1418 00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:28,049 was involved heavily with the law and 1419 00:57:31,099 --> 00:57:29,250 yet he never launched the investigation 1420 00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:31,109 into his own daughter's death and 1421 00:57:34,700 --> 00:57:33,210 there's no record of her being buried is 1422 00:57:36,140 --> 00:57:34,710 no record of a plea in their doomed to 1423 00:57:38,690 --> 00:57:36,150 be going the church is nothing that 1424 00:57:40,430 --> 00:57:38,700 indicates she was buried in the jack but 1425 00:57:42,859 --> 00:57:40,440 coincidentally if he do go in the church 1426 00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:42,869 it suggests to the whole the Griffith 1427 00:57:48,289 --> 00:57:46,170 family to has school motifs on it so I 1428 00:57:50,150 --> 00:57:48,299 think what's happened is the story just 1429 00:57:52,370 --> 00:57:50,160 grown it's been told and retold we've 1430 00:57:53,599 --> 00:57:52,380 grown and grown and grown and the 1431 00:57:56,510 --> 00:57:53,609 interesting thing is if you're going to 1432 00:57:58,160 --> 00:57:56,520 the history of magnets in the early 1433 00:58:01,190 --> 00:57:58,170 eighteen hundreds a servant girl was 1434 00:58:03,769 --> 00:58:01,200 actually assaulted and near st. John's 1435 00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:03,779 well which is where Katherine Griffith 1436 00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:05,970 was supposedly attacked and she was 1437 00:58:09,470 --> 00:58:07,770 beaten about the head and suffered skull 1438 00:58:11,630 --> 00:58:09,480 injuries I think what's happened is 1439 00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:11,640 people have heard that story and over 1440 00:58:14,839 --> 00:58:13,410 the years it's been told and retold and 1441 00:58:15,500 --> 00:58:14,849 then they've connected it locally to the 1442 00:58:17,210 --> 00:58:15,510 whole 1443 00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:17,220 and now you write this wonderful stock 1444 00:58:22,220 --> 00:58:21,090 that's there you know it's fiction so 1445 00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:22,230 yeah I've been working on that one it's 1446 00:58:26,270 --> 00:58:23,850 nearly finished I've been working out 1447 00:58:29,060 --> 00:58:26,280 for a few years now traveling all over 1448 00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:29,070 the arcs should get in sources and 1449 00:58:34,340 --> 00:58:32,010 they're heavily researching that in the 1450 00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:34,350 archives and made numerous trips Tibet 1451 00:58:37,790 --> 00:58:36,210 and Agnes as well and every time I go I 1452 00:58:39,590 --> 00:58:37,800 always took chapter the different Targ 1453 00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:39,600 ads that are on and get their opinion as 1454 00:58:43,820 --> 00:58:41,490 to where the school is because they all 1455 00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:43,830 have different opinions and nobody 1456 00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:45,930 really knows where it and I found it 1457 00:58:51,110 --> 00:58:47,130 fascinating you know it's an interesting 1458 00:58:52,370 --> 00:58:51,120 story and but yeah I've been working on 1459 00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:52,380 that one that that is as good as 1460 00:58:55,910 --> 00:58:53,730 finished I've got a few more little bits 1461 00:58:57,320 --> 00:58:55,920 and bobs bones that excellent well I'll 1462 00:58:58,670 --> 00:58:57,330 look forward to looking at that one when 1463 00:59:02,060 --> 00:58:58,680 it comes out most definitely 1464 00:59:04,220 --> 00:59:02,070 now obviously over the years that you've 1465 00:59:06,290 --> 00:59:04,230 been interested in in this de strange 1466 00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:06,300 and the weird and the wonderful you've 1467 00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:09,690 looked into many many cases as we've 1468 00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:12,570 discussed some of those just now in this 1469 00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:16,170 interview but if you could pick your 1470 00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:19,290 favorite case of all time that you've 1471 00:59:22,790 --> 00:59:21,330 looked into yourself you know whether 1472 00:59:25,910 --> 00:59:22,800 it's from whole whether it's national 1473 00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:25,920 international or whatever what would you 1474 00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:27,570 pick what would it be your favorite case 1475 00:59:38,210 --> 00:59:32,250 oh I don't know I've always wanted to go 1476 00:59:41,110 --> 00:59:38,220 to Loch Ness monster the thing that 1477 00:59:44,090 --> 00:59:41,120 that's always fascinated me and I 1478 00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:44,100 thought no it's a tough one but I like 1479 00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:45,810 the local stuff I mean the one that 1480 00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:47,730 really really got there was that the 1481 00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:49,890 whole humba c7 thing because that was a 1482 00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:51,690 story that no one had ever about and 1483 00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:54,690 that was a it's not in any other book no 1484 00:59:59,570 --> 00:59:56,930 one has ever covered that story before 1485 01:00:01,400 --> 00:59:59,580 when I found the first newspaper report 1486 01:00:03,650 --> 01:00:01,410 about this I just thought wow this is 1487 01:00:05,090 --> 01:00:03,660 fascinating and I spent months 1488 01:00:06,410 --> 01:00:05,100 researching it and mend it up with 1489 01:00:08,030 --> 01:00:06,420 hundreds of your favorite part and 1490 01:00:09,350 --> 01:00:08,040 probably these the people that were 1491 01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:09,360 seeing stuff in the home there were 1492 01:00:14,570 --> 01:00:11,730 fishermen and trauma men people that 1493 01:00:16,010 --> 01:00:14,580 that should know the see them I wrote an 1494 01:00:17,150 --> 01:00:16,020 article about it for the old Daily Mail 1495 01:00:18,770 --> 01:00:17,160 and that's really disappoint it's 1496 01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:18,780 because I mean I wrote a couple years 1497 01:00:22,190 --> 01:00:20,730 ago nobody really paid attention to it 1498 01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:22,200 and I thought this has got all the 1499 01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:24,090 potential to be a fantastic story and 1500 01:00:29,450 --> 01:00:26,250 really you know it's not really took off 1501 01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:29,460 it's not made waves and it was a 1502 01:00:33,470 --> 01:00:32,010 six months later a report around me up 1503 01:00:35,210 --> 01:00:33,480 and said what we've just going over some 1504 01:00:36,950 --> 01:00:35,220 old stories and I found the story about 1505 01:00:38,780 --> 01:00:36,960 the in the monster would you love to 1506 01:00:39,950 --> 01:00:38,790 have an interview with yeah so the 1507 01:00:42,470 --> 01:00:39,960 interview of me and it took off 1508 01:00:44,210 --> 01:00:42,480 dramatically and it went viral and 1509 01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:44,220 everyone was talking about him we 1510 01:00:49,339 --> 01:00:46,650 actually went and shot some footage with 1511 01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:49,349 the BBC and then we went down to the 1512 01:00:53,089 --> 01:00:50,970 home bar and fumble on the home before 1513 01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:53,099 the day and it was great fun and and 1514 01:00:56,599 --> 01:00:55,050 what was weird about that is that when 1515 01:00:58,480 --> 01:00:56,609 the story picked back up again the old 1516 01:01:00,650 --> 01:00:58,490 Daily Mail stack covering it again and 1517 01:01:02,870 --> 01:01:00,660 one of the reporters a guy called David 1518 01:01:05,329 --> 01:01:02,880 rang me up and he was real excited and 1519 01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:05,339 it was round the corner from where I 1520 01:01:08,329 --> 01:01:07,290 live and they said they're kind of pop 1521 01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:08,339 to your house for a minute I've got 1522 01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:10,770 something to show ya and he came round 1523 01:01:15,859 --> 01:01:12,450 and he literally had a handwritten 1524 01:01:17,599 --> 01:01:15,869 letter that was signed by a gentleman 1525 01:01:20,990 --> 01:01:17,609 that claims he saw it when he was a 1526 01:01:22,309 --> 01:01:21,000 young boy you know and it just kept 1527 01:01:24,559 --> 01:01:22,319 growing and growing and people kept 1528 01:01:26,270 --> 01:01:24,569 coming forward and then it was it was 1529 01:01:29,059 --> 01:01:26,280 weird because these reports were from 1530 01:01:31,490 --> 01:01:29,069 than that in Fair is like 1920s and that 1531 01:01:33,290 --> 01:01:31,500 in fact there was no recent reports that 1532 01:01:34,730 --> 01:01:33,300 we knew of within the space of a few 1533 01:01:37,059 --> 01:01:34,740 week two people were contacting us and 1534 01:01:39,650 --> 01:01:37,069 same thing that seems to help there Paul 1535 01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:39,660 bennewitz pan and hear things in the war 1536 01:01:42,829 --> 01:01:41,490 you know so there was a lot of regional 1537 01:01:45,020 --> 01:01:42,839 sightings coming through as well 1538 01:01:47,390 --> 01:01:45,030 you know so that has been absolutely 1539 01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:47,400 fascinating really interesting case I 1540 01:01:51,950 --> 01:01:49,010 worked on with the silver hatchet gang 1541 01:01:53,210 --> 01:01:51,960 that was four years but the silver 1542 01:01:56,059 --> 01:01:53,220 hatchet gang work analytic peaky 1543 01:01:58,089 --> 01:01:56,069 blinders the were like a first in 1544 01:02:03,440 --> 01:01:58,099 Holland in early nineteen hundred's 1545 01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:03,450 between 1901 around about 1916 1917 all 1546 01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:05,970 in OH basically what they would do is 1547 01:02:09,079 --> 01:02:07,410 they would work on the timber yards 1548 01:02:11,089 --> 01:02:09,089 there were threatened people they have 1549 01:02:14,390 --> 01:02:11,099 gambling places they were involved in 1550 01:02:17,059 --> 01:02:14,400 prostitution really notorious criminal 1551 01:02:19,490 --> 01:02:17,069 and when I was researching that what 1552 01:02:21,020 --> 01:02:19,500 people contacted me and said and be 1553 01:02:23,059 --> 01:02:21,030 careful you know that they're still 1554 01:02:24,349 --> 01:02:23,069 around and Lister and the other and I 1555 01:02:27,020 --> 01:02:24,359 thought that was great you know that was 1556 01:02:28,849 --> 01:02:27,030 fascinating and when the book published 1557 01:02:31,130 --> 01:02:28,859 to coincide with it there was an article 1558 01:02:33,079 --> 01:02:31,140 published and understand police rung me 1559 01:02:34,789 --> 01:02:33,089 up all night and it was a guy from 1560 01:02:37,039 --> 01:02:34,799 homicide police or was the senior 1561 01:02:39,950 --> 01:02:37,049 detective I'm not mentioned is there but 1562 01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:39,960 he's always in pepper and then II basic 1563 01:02:42,710 --> 01:02:41,130 around me up and said I've read your 1564 01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:42,720 article on the so ratchet gang and I 1565 01:02:44,930 --> 01:02:43,050 thought 1566 01:02:47,180 --> 01:02:44,940 yeah you know maybe some new information 1567 01:02:48,470 --> 01:02:47,190 about being active and they said one of 1568 01:02:50,110 --> 01:02:48,480 the men one of the gentleman you 1569 01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:50,120 mentioned was my great quick grandfather 1570 01:02:54,500 --> 01:02:52,890 and he was a member and so yeah you know 1571 01:02:57,710 --> 01:02:54,510 so that was career I've got his sad in 1572 01:03:00,110 --> 01:02:57,720 the story and then in recent weeks and a 1573 01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:00,120 lady had bought it for ED batter and her 1574 01:03:03,740 --> 01:03:02,010 dad's an elderly gentleman and he 1575 01:03:05,210 --> 01:03:03,750 actually wrote me a handwritten letter 1576 01:03:07,430 --> 01:03:05,220 with just over at my best cuz it only 1577 01:03:09,770 --> 01:03:07,440 came for the first day of it then it was 1578 01:03:11,150 --> 01:03:09,780 basically him saying that he believed in 1579 01:03:13,100 --> 01:03:11,160 new members of the silver rat chick 1580 01:03:14,690 --> 01:03:13,110 going when he was a young boy it was 1581 01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:14,700 told that its father and his own calls 1582 01:03:18,470 --> 01:03:16,650 and his grandfather were all members and 1583 01:03:20,930 --> 01:03:18,480 he actually named the poor being all in 1584 01:03:24,290 --> 01:03:20,940 school cause that was linked to the 1585 01:03:26,450 --> 01:03:24,300 silver hatchet gang so I've been slowly 1586 01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:26,460 reading through this letter and then 1587 01:03:31,550 --> 01:03:28,890 just yesterday I've already contacted me 1588 01:03:33,950 --> 01:03:31,560 through social media and she said that 1589 01:03:35,750 --> 01:03:33,960 she had spoke to her father and the 1590 01:03:37,790 --> 01:03:35,760 father said that he remembers as your 1591 01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:37,800 boy been in you know the girls run 1592 01:03:43,820 --> 01:03:41,610 lanstrom in the area and Patrick and 1593 01:03:45,530 --> 01:03:43,830 were quite right from there and and he 1594 01:03:47,990 --> 01:03:45,540 named names she nursed I've got almost 1595 01:03:50,980 --> 01:03:48,000 avenues of research to shoot and the 1596 01:03:55,430 --> 01:03:50,990 possibility of launching a second volume 1597 01:03:58,880 --> 01:03:55,440 do you think the reports such as you 1598 01:04:00,980 --> 01:03:58,890 know that the embassy serpent etc going 1599 01:04:03,050 --> 01:04:00,990 back to the 1930s obviously this is the 1600 01:04:05,810 --> 01:04:03,060 time of course when the Loch Ness 1601 01:04:08,180 --> 01:04:05,820 monster became known that in the mid of 1602 01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:08,190 the early nineteen thirties when you 1603 01:04:11,930 --> 01:04:10,050 know it was reported that this couple 1604 01:04:13,580 --> 01:04:11,940 driving by Loch Ness had seen this 1605 01:04:15,740 --> 01:04:13,590 creature run across the road and into 1606 01:04:17,540 --> 01:04:15,750 the Loch itself do you think it could be 1607 01:04:19,700 --> 01:04:17,550 maybe a case of people jumping on the 1608 01:04:26,780 --> 01:04:19,710 bandwagon and saying the scene something 1609 01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:26,790 in the ombré well the embassy second was 1610 01:04:33,260 --> 01:04:31,170 1927 right it's kind of one free day 1611 01:04:35,270 --> 01:04:33,270 it's the other but then there was the 1612 01:04:42,140 --> 01:04:35,280 the running joke that the humba humba 1613 01:04:44,390 --> 01:04:42,150 monster was a solid air which were quite 1614 01:04:45,740 --> 01:04:44,400 interesting so yeah it's a weird one 1615 01:04:48,020 --> 01:04:45,750 because the birth kind of came around 1616 01:04:50,510 --> 01:04:48,030 roughly the same time but the home 1617 01:04:52,340 --> 01:04:50,520 ammonia predated it then was also doing 1618 01:04:56,990 --> 01:04:52,350 small business in the Victorian period 1619 01:04:59,660 --> 01:04:57,000 of home shipping lines going to America 1620 01:05:01,730 --> 01:04:59,670 and on all the way over to America they 1621 01:05:05,390 --> 01:05:01,740 were seeing stuff and there was actually 1622 01:05:07,610 --> 01:05:05,400 a published in 1884 the states there was 1623 01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:07,620 a whole steamer and it it was called the 1624 01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:10,650 philadelphia record and it published his 1625 01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:12,690 newspaper report saying that this whole 1626 01:05:17,330 --> 01:05:14,730 steamer called Durham from all had gone 1627 01:05:19,910 --> 01:05:17,340 to the Mediterranean then across to 1628 01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:19,920 Philadelphia and on its way across it 1629 01:05:24,110 --> 01:05:23,010 it's Odyssey sir and that was 1884 in a 1630 01:05:27,230 --> 01:05:24,120 southern with reports coming in from 1631 01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:27,240 that area one of the earliest stories in 1632 01:05:33,730 --> 01:05:31,410 in our region was in 1922 when a strange 1633 01:05:38,330 --> 01:05:33,740 fish was found from a groomers patroller 1634 01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:38,340 called the shambo's and then it said 1635 01:05:41,660 --> 01:05:40,170 that they pulled it on board and never 1636 01:05:44,030 --> 01:05:41,670 seen anything like it didn't like a 1637 01:05:45,860 --> 01:05:44,040 shark or a whale it was about 50 foot 1638 01:05:48,260 --> 01:05:45,870 long and in the end they took over 1639 01:05:49,670 --> 01:05:48,270 bharden left it you know that was going 1640 01:05:52,460 --> 01:05:49,680 on quite a while there there was just 1641 01:05:55,310 --> 01:05:52,470 stuff spared when they saw that in 1929 1642 01:05:57,680 --> 01:05:55,320 there was a couple of hauntings that saw 1643 01:06:00,110 --> 01:05:57,690 something and so the wood reports that 1644 01:06:02,450 --> 01:06:00,120 predate that the Loch Ness monster by 1645 01:06:04,850 --> 01:06:02,460 some years it was until certain that in 1646 01:06:07,430 --> 01:06:04,860 33 and Malcolm Robison Licata confess 1647 01:06:09,140 --> 01:06:07,440 today he's questionable books but like 1648 01:06:11,180 --> 01:06:09,150 most mom's there you know that that 1649 01:06:15,170 --> 01:06:11,190 really took off and was an interesting 1650 01:06:15,820 --> 01:06:15,180 one actually in 1933 in December it said 1651 01:06:19,250 --> 01:06:15,830 Flambeau 1652 01:06:20,690 --> 01:06:19,260 wanted its own monster story so they 1653 01:06:22,750 --> 01:06:20,700 could cash in on it and that was 1654 01:06:25,460 --> 01:06:22,760 interested in because years later 1655 01:06:28,130 --> 01:06:25,470 reports of sea serpents came in from 1656 01:06:29,450 --> 01:06:28,140 lumber but yeah I mean really interested 1657 01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:29,460 one of one of the funniest things that 1658 01:06:33,620 --> 01:06:31,290 happened during that period if you go 1659 01:06:35,630 --> 01:06:33,630 into the Transport Museum in all right 1660 01:06:37,700 --> 01:06:35,640 at the front entrance there's a a 1661 01:06:40,070 --> 01:06:37,710 makeshift office this would have been 1662 01:06:41,900 --> 01:06:40,080 Thomas Shepards offices thomas shepherd 1663 01:06:44,510 --> 01:06:41,910 was the curator of whole museum and in 1664 01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:44,520 the corner of this display is an 1665 01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:47,250 elephant foot and it's basically used to 1666 01:06:54,530 --> 01:06:51,690 put umbrellas in and in 1933 he actually 1667 01:06:58,100 --> 01:06:54,540 took the elephants for out to span point 1668 01:07:00,440 --> 01:06:58,110 and left prints in the floor but he did 1669 01:07:01,850 --> 01:07:00,450 all the way up to the the road and then 1670 01:07:03,110 --> 01:07:01,860 he went in the local pub around the 1671 01:07:05,540 --> 01:07:03,120 whole Daily Mail and the whole Daily 1672 01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:05,550 Mail turned up and took took all these 1673 01:07:10,460 --> 01:07:08,010 floors only part that sea serpent 1674 01:07:12,500 --> 01:07:10,470 footprints had been found and 1675 01:07:14,690 --> 01:07:12,510 you know along this theatre standpoint 1676 01:07:16,430 --> 01:07:14,700 and then a couple of days later they 1677 01:07:18,349 --> 01:07:16,440 actually reported the truth and it was 1678 01:07:20,030 --> 01:07:18,359 actually Justin Thomas Shepard in a bid 1679 01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:20,040 to get people interested in the mall 1680 01:07:25,910 --> 01:07:23,970 geumsan Hall and they saw no and it was 1681 01:07:27,830 --> 01:07:25,920 a really clever guy who was it was it 1682 01:07:30,349 --> 01:07:27,840 was a bit like PT Barnum it would come 1683 01:07:32,450 --> 01:07:30,359 up with weird thing with the newspapers 1684 01:07:34,070 --> 01:07:32,460 of the time but yeah I mean these are 1685 01:07:37,430 --> 01:07:34,080 parts of fascinating like I said they 1686 01:07:40,490 --> 01:07:37,440 reported back people that were familiar 1687 01:07:43,130 --> 01:07:40,500 with the sea most of these guys trial 1688 01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:43,140 known fishermen seamen the guys that go 1689 01:07:45,650 --> 01:07:44,730 up to the sea day-in day-out and yet 1690 01:07:48,950 --> 01:07:45,660 they were seeing stuff we couldn't 1691 01:07:50,930 --> 01:07:48,960 explain and it wasn't like you know your 1692 01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:50,940 average man and woman was going on 1693 01:07:54,349 --> 01:07:52,530 holiday and seeing this was actually 1694 01:07:56,690 --> 01:07:54,359 people that were out at sea catching 1695 01:07:58,700 --> 01:07:56,700 stuff like this all the time you know 1696 01:08:00,890 --> 01:07:58,710 and they're really interesting obviously 1697 01:08:02,900 --> 01:08:00,900 you get reports from you know people 1698 01:08:05,510 --> 01:08:02,910 saying it it might have been a school of 1699 01:08:08,690 --> 01:08:05,520 porpoises or it might have been a large 1700 01:08:10,730 --> 01:08:08,700 seal in there were lots of theories it 1701 01:08:11,990 --> 01:08:10,740 down and on the flip side of that you've 1702 01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:12,000 got these guys coming forward and saying 1703 01:08:15,770 --> 01:08:13,650 well actually we were seeing something 1704 01:08:18,110 --> 01:08:15,780 that we can't quite explain these are 1705 01:08:20,030 --> 01:08:18,120 fantastic the fascinating can I ask you 1706 01:08:22,309 --> 01:08:20,040 something like how many it's one thing I 1707 01:08:25,550 --> 01:08:22,319 like to ask you you know all paranormal 1708 01:08:28,099 --> 01:08:25,560 investigators you know you've talked 1709 01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:28,109 about it have you seen anything yourself 1710 01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:30,210 apart from a couple making a porn movie 1711 01:08:37,010 --> 01:08:34,170 in a cemetery you know you know in also 1712 01:08:38,959 --> 01:08:37,020 in all seriousness you know I've got a 1713 01:08:41,150 --> 01:08:38,969 couple of friends involved in the in the 1714 01:08:42,920 --> 01:08:41,160 paranormal silently I thought who's 1715 01:08:46,999 --> 01:08:42,930 gonna see the porn industry that film 1716 01:08:49,249 --> 01:08:47,009 you know only on your own investigations 1717 01:08:51,709 --> 01:08:49,259 or as part of a TV show or you've got 1718 01:08:53,150 --> 01:08:51,719 the cameras or anything you know I have 1719 01:08:55,160 --> 01:08:53,160 you ever witnessed anything yourself 1720 01:08:55,670 --> 01:08:55,170 like that you think I have no idea what 1721 01:08:58,099 --> 01:08:55,680 that is 1722 01:08:59,740 --> 01:08:58,109 oh yeah yeah I mean that well at the 1723 01:09:03,440 --> 01:08:59,750 earliest one like I said was the UFO 1724 01:09:05,180 --> 01:09:03,450 sighting when I was 8 and over the years 1725 01:09:08,329 --> 01:09:05,190 I've had a number of incidents in our 1726 01:09:11,090 --> 01:09:08,339 house we actually had what I removed in 1727 01:09:13,280 --> 01:09:11,100 the children were apart and stuff there 1728 01:09:15,650 --> 01:09:13,290 were a part in a man and a woman I 1729 01:09:17,930 --> 01:09:15,660 researched the history and discovered in 1730 01:09:19,999 --> 01:09:17,940 that in 45 the lady of the house was 1731 01:09:22,729 --> 01:09:20,009 murdered in the living room that the 1732 01:09:24,110 --> 01:09:22,739 lodger had basically took an axe and he 1733 01:09:25,790 --> 01:09:24,120 took in her head 1734 01:09:28,850 --> 01:09:25,800 Tam's and dragged her into the room that 1735 01:09:31,030 --> 01:09:28,860 I'm sitting in right now and then he was 1736 01:09:33,020 --> 01:09:31,040 sent to a lunatic asylum where he died 1737 01:09:37,250 --> 01:09:33,030 and then I went back further and 1738 01:09:39,890 --> 01:09:37,260 discovered in 1929 the the husband had 1739 01:09:41,180 --> 01:09:39,900 disappeared in in the home back it was 1740 01:09:42,950 --> 01:09:41,190 washed up near Grimsby and it looked 1741 01:09:44,990 --> 01:09:42,960 like foul play but they couldn't say 1742 01:09:46,310 --> 01:09:45,000 with him two percent said they and we've 1743 01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:46,320 had stuff going on in the house about 1744 01:09:50,300 --> 01:09:48,090 stuff moving with that stuff 1745 01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:50,310 disappearing and were very noisy and 1746 01:09:55,130 --> 01:09:53,610 things like that and but it's not like 1747 01:09:56,450 --> 01:09:55,140 it you know when people say about 1748 01:09:57,020 --> 01:09:56,460 haunted houses and stuff like that it's 1749 01:09:59,990 --> 01:09:57,030 not scary 1750 01:10:01,550 --> 01:10:00,000 you know it's home and then on 1751 01:10:03,860 --> 01:10:01,560 paranormal investigations I've been 1752 01:10:05,510 --> 01:10:03,870 scratched I've seen objects move in the 1753 01:10:09,110 --> 01:10:05,520 bath I remember one night when we were 1754 01:10:11,690 --> 01:10:09,120 out filming with the Travel Channel we 1755 01:10:13,970 --> 01:10:11,700 were in school caught cemetery and it 1756 01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:13,980 was pitch black and there was one light 1757 01:10:17,690 --> 01:10:15,770 in the cemetery and this light came from 1758 01:10:20,660 --> 01:10:17,700 like a factory at the back of the 1759 01:10:24,020 --> 01:10:20,670 cemetery and there was just this big it 1760 01:10:25,670 --> 01:10:24,030 was like a ball of steam for want of a 1761 01:10:29,180 --> 01:10:25,680 better way I can't really explain it and 1762 01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:29,190 it flew towards us at such speed it 1763 01:10:33,410 --> 01:10:30,570 wasn't going upwards like you would 1764 01:10:35,870 --> 01:10:33,420 expect it to or disappear in bloom tours 1765 01:10:37,580 --> 01:10:35,880 and that the the film crew all moved out 1766 01:10:39,020 --> 01:10:37,590 the with it because we didn't know what 1767 01:10:41,750 --> 01:10:39,030 it was and there still can't explain 1768 01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:41,760 that that was weird I've also been out 1769 01:10:45,260 --> 01:10:43,890 on I do a lot of stuff finish after 1770 01:10:47,630 --> 01:10:45,270 where I've gotten look for big cats and 1771 01:10:51,230 --> 01:10:47,640 stuff like that and I found paw print 1772 01:10:53,030 --> 01:10:51,240 out near building and then I was out 1773 01:10:54,680 --> 01:10:53,040 with my son we'd gone for a for a walk 1774 01:10:56,930 --> 01:10:54,690 down the hall to wither and see a 1775 01:11:00,530 --> 01:10:56,940 railway track which is now a like a 1776 01:11:02,180 --> 01:11:00,540 psychopath and we got halfway down the 1777 01:11:03,860 --> 01:11:02,190 track and my friend lives parallel to 1778 01:11:04,250 --> 01:11:03,870 the track and I'd text him and he was at 1779 01:11:06,290 --> 01:11:04,260 home 1780 01:11:08,390 --> 01:11:06,300 I said let's flex pop a question see him 1781 01:11:09,740 --> 01:11:08,400 alive cup of tea and and we'll rest for 1782 01:11:12,500 --> 01:11:09,750 a bit and on the way across we were 1783 01:11:14,270 --> 01:11:12,510 walking across the field and we there 1784 01:11:15,200 --> 01:11:14,280 was just a big set of print across this 1785 01:11:17,060 --> 01:11:15,210 field and it 1786 01:11:20,270 --> 01:11:17,070 they were almost coming out of the car 1787 01:11:22,250 --> 01:11:20,280 right across the footpath which was just 1788 01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:22,260 mud and the the glass the print and I 1789 01:11:26,480 --> 01:11:24,690 managed to because we were only aching 1790 01:11:28,460 --> 01:11:26,490 at that point I didn't have any anything 1791 01:11:31,310 --> 01:11:28,470 on me to measure it so I think was I 1792 01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:31,320 stuck my phone on the floor and I took a 1793 01:11:35,390 --> 01:11:33,210 picture with my son's phone and it 1794 01:11:37,670 --> 01:11:35,400 showed that this thing was about maybe 1795 01:11:39,830 --> 01:11:37,680 five six inches across 1796 01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:39,840 and so it's a big print don't know what 1797 01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:42,810 it was but that you know stuff like that 1798 01:11:49,130 --> 01:11:44,850 about quite a lot I have not seen the 1799 01:11:50,780 --> 01:11:49,140 young becae circling yeah yeah not yet 1800 01:11:55,580 --> 01:11:50,790 no I'm in the humble monster watch 1801 01:11:59,030 --> 01:11:55,590 you'll tell me of this year I mean I 1802 01:12:01,130 --> 01:11:59,040 mean you know do you think it's fair you 1803 01:12:03,350 --> 01:12:01,140 know you talked about the various 1804 01:12:05,660 --> 01:12:03,360 paranormal TV shows that you personally 1805 01:12:08,210 --> 01:12:05,670 have appeared on and there is a number 1806 01:12:11,030 --> 01:12:08,220 of others do you think they act do some 1807 01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:11,040 good for the paranormal research field 1808 01:12:15,440 --> 01:12:13,290 my god how do you think people think 1809 01:12:17,750 --> 01:12:15,450 it's all a setup because I've heard 1810 01:12:20,300 --> 01:12:17,760 accusations that some of the people on 1811 01:12:22,490 --> 01:12:20,310 there I told went to scream and I'll 1812 01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:22,500 jump on the canoes or whatever I don't 1813 01:12:26,690 --> 01:12:24,810 know if that's true or not but do you 1814 01:12:29,390 --> 01:12:26,700 think people you know tend to take them 1815 01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:29,400 with a pinch of salt yeah I think they 1816 01:12:33,710 --> 01:12:31,290 do I mean all the stuff I've worked on 1817 01:12:35,570 --> 01:12:33,720 as it's never been I've never been given 1818 01:12:38,300 --> 01:12:35,580 a script all the stuff I've been on I've 1819 01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:38,310 never been told to act this way or react 1820 01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:40,530 this way I just had the camera shoved in 1821 01:12:45,650 --> 01:12:43,530 my face and and been sent out so all the 1822 01:12:48,370 --> 01:12:45,660 stuff have been on what I've seen I've 1823 01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:48,380 never seen anything that would say was 1824 01:12:54,260 --> 01:12:51,810 fraudulent or or trying to hoodwink 1825 01:12:56,750 --> 01:12:54,270 anyone you know Nate I've never seen 1826 01:13:00,080 --> 01:12:56,760 anything untoward or and I do watch and 1827 01:13:02,120 --> 01:13:00,090 I do keep an eye out and I'm quite eagle 1828 01:13:03,800 --> 01:13:02,130 eye I will watch people's feet and 1829 01:13:05,540 --> 01:13:03,810 people's pockets and make sure no one's 1830 01:13:09,110 --> 01:13:05,550 throwing stones or you know things like 1831 01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:09,120 that but then nowhere from that away 1832 01:13:12,920 --> 01:13:11,010 from the TV shows on paranormal 1833 01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:12,930 investigations I have some people that 1834 01:13:18,980 --> 01:13:15,690 have carried out fraudulent activity 1835 01:13:21,290 --> 01:13:18,990 I've watched people ask for activity 1836 01:13:23,480 --> 01:13:21,300 there knock on tables and then you know 1837 01:13:24,860 --> 01:13:23,490 jump and say what was that and I've seen 1838 01:13:27,470 --> 01:13:24,870 them actually doing it on night-vision 1839 01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:27,480 cameras I've built them actually you 1840 01:13:32,330 --> 01:13:29,730 know knocking and things so I have 1841 01:13:34,880 --> 01:13:32,340 caught people in carrying up fraudulent 1842 01:13:38,150 --> 01:13:34,890 activity one of the best ones people 1843 01:13:40,130 --> 01:13:38,160 love to do it and put tea light candles 1844 01:13:42,070 --> 01:13:40,140 in a property and true love the light 1845 01:13:44,810 --> 01:13:42,080 obviously when they start melting and 1846 01:13:47,390 --> 01:13:44,820 the wax people will pick up the wax and 1847 01:13:48,950 --> 01:13:47,400 roll it into balls then throw it in the 1848 01:13:50,570 --> 01:13:48,960 dark you know if you've got night vision 1849 01:13:51,529 --> 01:13:50,580 you can pick up on that and you can 1850 01:13:54,229 --> 01:13:51,539 sense before 1851 01:13:56,359 --> 01:13:54,239 what the hell you doing so caught people 1852 01:13:59,299 --> 01:13:56,369 people carrying up fraudulent not to be 1853 01:14:01,430 --> 01:13:59,309 and and I've exposed a few and I've you 1854 01:14:03,109 --> 01:14:01,440 know the same with a number of psychics 1855 01:14:05,240 --> 01:14:03,119 and what I looked at it was I looked a 1856 01:14:06,770 --> 01:14:05,250 fact check you know when they go to 1857 01:14:09,080 --> 01:14:06,780 these on it houses and the say you know 1858 01:14:12,200 --> 01:14:09,090 I was it was a matter here in the Sandia 1859 01:14:13,879 --> 01:14:12,210 there and I love research because I want 1860 01:14:15,410 --> 01:14:13,889 to know all of you I want to know these 1861 01:14:15,919 --> 01:14:15,420 people I've imagined who the murderer 1862 01:14:18,140 --> 01:14:15,929 was 1863 01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:18,150 so I will go into the archives and try 1864 01:14:22,580 --> 01:14:20,610 and find out that information and a 1865 01:14:25,910 --> 01:14:22,590 great example of that was a few years 1866 01:14:28,370 --> 01:14:25,920 ago if you remember what Derek Acorah it 1867 01:14:30,709 --> 01:14:28,380 came to all it filmed series two of 1868 01:14:32,899 --> 01:14:30,719 ghosts challenging home and he visited 1869 01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:32,909 three or four properties in the city and 1870 01:14:37,609 --> 01:14:35,730 I tracked down the DVD I remember 1871 01:14:39,140 --> 01:14:37,619 watching it at the time but I tracked 1872 01:14:41,930 --> 01:14:39,150 down the DVD and I went through it 1873 01:14:44,299 --> 01:14:41,940 almost for an bathroom no in all the 1874 01:14:46,189 --> 01:14:44,309 information that was given in the show 1875 01:14:48,830 --> 01:14:46,199 then I went away and researched a lot 1876 01:14:52,490 --> 01:14:48,840 and discovered that approximately two 1877 01:14:54,310 --> 01:14:52,500 percent of it was verified by history 1878 01:14:57,049 --> 01:14:54,320 the rest of it was all nonsense 1879 01:14:58,009 --> 01:14:57,059 you know and I've done that with a few 1880 01:15:00,589 --> 01:14:58,019 people I've done that with a few 1881 01:15:01,819 --> 01:15:00,599 psychics mediums that come up with stuff 1882 01:15:03,379 --> 01:15:01,829 and I've gone away and researched it 1883 01:15:04,759 --> 01:15:03,389 we've got a big one at the minute in 1884 01:15:06,709 --> 01:15:04,769 whole is supposed to be an alleyway or 1885 01:15:08,839 --> 01:15:06,719 wherever a 19th century prostitute 1886 01:15:10,459 --> 01:15:08,849 called Fanny Adams was murdered an 1887 01:15:12,500 --> 01:15:10,469 actual fat Fanny Adams was a little girl 1888 01:15:15,200 --> 01:15:12,510 that was murdered under love mile away 1889 01:15:16,669 --> 01:15:15,210 in Oakland and at the time she was 1890 01:15:19,279 --> 01:15:16,679 carrying sweet and that's where the term 1891 01:15:21,290 --> 01:15:19,289 sweet honey Adams comes from and and at 1892 01:15:22,669 --> 01:15:21,300 that you know there was no magic down 1893 01:15:24,979 --> 01:15:22,679 this alley where another prostitute 1894 01:15:26,330 --> 01:15:24,989 beheaded during this period so I like 1895 01:15:28,970 --> 01:15:26,340 doing that I like picking up on these 1896 01:15:31,819 --> 01:15:28,980 stories and improving on the bump it on 1897 01:15:34,129 --> 01:15:31,829 myself man but yeah I never really seen 1898 01:15:36,379 --> 01:15:34,139 anything on a TV show where Tom where I 1899 01:15:38,120 --> 01:15:36,389 would say rajala quite the opposite I've 1900 01:15:41,180 --> 01:15:38,130 been on am west of sap and then the crew 1901 01:15:43,700 --> 01:15:41,190 themselves that we did then we did some 1902 01:15:45,859 --> 01:15:43,710 work when was filming monster lands we 1903 01:15:47,450 --> 01:15:45,869 were out on boundary until early hours 1904 01:15:49,729 --> 01:15:47,460 of the morning and it got to the point 1905 01:15:51,560 --> 01:15:49,739 where the crew will literally move in 1906 01:15:54,200 --> 01:15:51,570 like a military unit because nobody 1907 01:15:57,049 --> 01:15:54,210 wanted to be lesbian I mean I know vamps 1908 01:15:58,609 --> 01:15:57,059 very scary anyway but this it was really 1909 01:15:59,899 --> 01:15:58,619 funny because during the day when you're 1910 01:16:02,359 --> 01:15:59,909 filming everyone's kind of spread out 1911 01:16:04,609 --> 01:16:02,369 and you know the end of Renee was asleep 1912 01:16:05,180 --> 01:16:04,619 in the van after time they had a couple 1913 01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:05,190 of camera 1914 01:16:11,210 --> 01:16:08,010 and a sound guy and a lighting guy and 1915 01:16:12,980 --> 01:16:11,220 the presenter myself and the producer 1916 01:16:14,330 --> 01:16:12,990 you're kind of spread out you weren't 1917 01:16:16,100 --> 01:16:14,340 doing your doing your own thing and 1918 01:16:18,290 --> 01:16:16,110 getting filmed doing it and then later 1919 01:16:19,100 --> 01:16:18,300 on when the lights went down and and 1920 01:16:20,750 --> 01:16:19,110 sunset 1921 01:16:23,240 --> 01:16:20,760 nobody would leave nobody would go to 1922 01:16:27,110 --> 01:16:23,250 the bama without going together and it 1923 01:16:30,290 --> 01:16:27,120 was really for me Mike I mean it's where 1924 01:16:30,830 --> 01:16:30,300 I live I born just you know ten miles 1925 01:16:33,950 --> 01:16:30,840 from here 1926 01:16:36,050 --> 01:16:33,960 yeah he did the paranormal lockdown do 1927 01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:36,060 you did that you did here I did I 1928 01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:38,010 started off with my started laughter and 1929 01:16:41,930 --> 01:16:40,410 then I did paranormal lockdown did so 1930 01:16:44,060 --> 01:16:41,940 did so doesn't there's a particular 1931 01:16:45,500 --> 01:16:44,070 house in Pontefract isn't that I forget 1932 01:16:48,100 --> 01:16:45,510 the name of it does it have is it 1933 01:16:51,410 --> 01:16:48,110 supposed to be a monk that's seen there 1934 01:16:53,720 --> 01:16:51,420 I've lost you Mike sorry about that we 1935 01:16:55,130 --> 01:16:53,730 lost Mike for a second you know I've got 1936 01:16:56,960 --> 01:16:55,140 a few gremlins in the system but 1937 01:16:58,880 --> 01:16:56,970 thankfully it's back with us what was 1938 01:17:01,940 --> 01:16:58,890 asking you Mike is when when you did the 1939 01:17:04,280 --> 01:17:01,950 paranormal TV shows here in pancha for 1940 01:17:06,380 --> 01:17:04,290 at where I live you know I I am like I 1941 01:17:08,840 --> 01:17:06,390 said I only I was born just 10 miles 1942 01:17:11,090 --> 01:17:08,850 down the road I think there's a certain 1943 01:17:14,230 --> 01:17:11,100 house here in Ponte practic I forget the 1944 01:17:18,230 --> 01:17:14,240 name of it but does it have a famous 1945 01:17:20,240 --> 01:17:18,240 sighting or apparition of a monk 1946 01:17:22,160 --> 01:17:20,250 something like that you tell us a bit 1947 01:17:24,110 --> 01:17:22,170 more about that what happened when you 1948 01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:24,120 did these TV shows here I'm just curious 1949 01:17:30,590 --> 01:17:26,130 from Mike Fennell from a local point of 1950 01:17:33,350 --> 01:17:30,600 view well yeah I mean this is known as a 1951 01:17:36,320 --> 01:17:33,360 30 used route it's been made into a 1952 01:17:39,350 --> 01:17:36,330 motion picture called when the lights go 1953 01:17:40,610 --> 01:17:39,360 out and ask that researching this a few 1954 01:17:43,190 --> 01:17:40,620 years ago because I mean the property's 1955 01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:43,200 always fascinated me now the story goes 1956 01:17:48,740 --> 01:17:46,050 that it's haunted by a black mole known 1957 01:17:50,090 --> 01:17:48,750 as the black monk of Pontefract and you 1958 01:17:52,210 --> 01:17:50,100 know and if you're listening to set and 1959 01:17:55,450 --> 01:17:52,220 psychics and this that and the other and 1960 01:17:57,560 --> 01:17:55,460 they reckon that this this monk was 1961 01:18:00,260 --> 01:17:57,570 executed because he was messing about 1962 01:18:01,940 --> 01:18:00,270 with local children they claimed he was 1963 01:18:04,700 --> 01:18:01,950 thrown down a well and the house was 1964 01:18:07,880 --> 01:18:04,710 built on top of the well and so I was 1965 01:18:10,190 --> 01:18:07,890 asked to go to my stomach laughs and 1966 01:18:13,220 --> 01:18:10,200 then let a paranormal lockdown and just 1967 01:18:16,580 --> 01:18:13,230 give the historical overview on the area 1968 01:18:18,590 --> 01:18:16,590 the history of the house and I spent 1969 01:18:20,690 --> 01:18:18,600 ages researching the people 1970 01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:20,700 live there and but I went really fat 1971 01:18:25,160 --> 01:18:23,010 back and and looked at what was on the 1972 01:18:27,680 --> 01:18:25,170 land previously through all the old maps 1973 01:18:30,860 --> 01:18:27,690 and what I discovered was actually there 1974 01:18:33,230 --> 01:18:30,870 wasn't well on that site there wasn't 1975 01:18:36,710 --> 01:18:33,240 even a waterway or a stream or anything 1976 01:18:38,300 --> 01:18:36,720 like that and and I was quite interested 1977 01:18:40,730 --> 01:18:38,310 because across the road from where the 1978 01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:40,740 house is situated you've got a memorial 1979 01:18:44,960 --> 01:18:42,330 to the battle of jakku filled with one 1980 01:18:47,360 --> 01:18:44,970 of these massive fights in the English 1981 01:18:50,870 --> 01:18:47,370 Civil War so I was really interested in 1982 01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:50,880 that and then yeah I mean I basically 1983 01:18:56,420 --> 01:18:54,810 started researching this this the 1984 01:19:00,350 --> 01:18:56,430 firechek field and what went on there 1985 01:19:01,580 --> 01:19:00,360 and and it was weird because I was sort 1986 01:19:03,740 --> 01:19:01,590 of saying to these people you know but 1987 01:19:06,110 --> 01:19:03,750 wasn't there's no such thing as this 1988 01:19:08,150 --> 01:19:06,120 platform you know those did a number and 1989 01:19:11,950 --> 01:19:08,160 their dissing Pontefract there was in 1990 01:19:15,290 --> 01:19:11,960 1857 John speed was poisoned by his wife 1991 01:19:17,240 --> 01:19:15,300 there was another one where George stop 1992 01:19:20,090 --> 01:19:17,250 17 was Chad with the murder of Elizabeth 1993 01:19:22,220 --> 01:19:20,100 Mitchell Upton and there Pontefract and 1994 01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:22,230 you know there were lots of stories of 1995 01:19:27,200 --> 01:19:24,090 murders and stuff like that in the area 1996 01:19:29,510 --> 01:19:27,210 and but nothing to do with a black mole 1997 01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:29,520 and then you know you'll know yourself 1998 01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:31,530 that the history of the English Civil 1999 01:19:36,740 --> 01:19:33,930 War upon a there was a there was a lot 2000 01:19:40,160 --> 01:19:36,750 of stuff going on Castle man you know 2001 01:19:42,770 --> 01:19:40,170 All Saints Church was was hit and you 2002 01:19:47,270 --> 01:19:42,780 know and there was the big map battle on 2003 01:19:50,030 --> 01:19:47,280 match the first 1645 so there was a lot 2004 01:19:52,700 --> 01:19:50,040 of stuff going on in the area that you 2005 01:19:54,770 --> 01:19:52,710 could argue is maybe responsible for 2006 01:19:58,160 --> 01:19:54,780 what's going on at the property well I 2007 01:20:01,250 --> 01:19:58,170 couldn't find any evidence of you know 2008 01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:01,260 this is suppose it monk people have 2009 01:20:05,480 --> 01:20:03,570 given me a name of the monk and there 2010 01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:05,490 was no records with the monks there men 2011 01:20:10,280 --> 01:20:07,530 and and then I went right for the 2012 01:20:11,780 --> 01:20:10,290 history of the property and become 2013 01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:11,790 soulless there itself was built after 2014 01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:15,930 the Second World War there was a what a 2015 01:20:19,370 --> 01:20:17,370 little battle monument was actually 2016 01:20:20,900 --> 01:20:19,380 situated they're known as cranky pin and 2017 01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:20,910 they demolished that to build the hound 2018 01:20:26,120 --> 01:20:23,610 in the sphere and you know stir there is 2019 01:20:27,890 --> 01:20:26,130 stuff going on in the air yeah but as 2020 01:20:31,670 --> 01:20:27,900 far as I'm aware nothing that would 2021 01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:31,680 explain the sightings of this month 2022 01:20:37,310 --> 01:20:34,890 you know except obviously living in the 2023 01:20:39,050 --> 01:20:37,320 town of heard of it and I just wondered 2024 01:20:41,090 --> 01:20:39,060 if there was any you know background 2025 01:20:43,400 --> 01:20:41,100 information to support the monk story 2026 01:20:44,840 --> 01:20:43,410 obviously said you can't find it for 2027 01:20:49,040 --> 01:20:44,850 those that are not aware I mean 2028 01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:49,050 Pontefract is an ancient town you know 2029 01:20:54,680 --> 01:20:51,090 the Romans were here I think some of 2030 01:20:56,960 --> 01:20:54,690 them still out on Saturday no I really 2031 01:20:59,600 --> 01:20:56,970 do and of course it did play a quite 2032 01:21:02,630 --> 01:20:59,610 significant part in their in the English 2033 01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:02,640 Civil War at the castle and there's not 2034 01:21:05,270 --> 01:21:04,410 much of the castle left but it's it's 2035 01:21:07,340 --> 01:21:05,280 still there 2036 01:21:08,510 --> 01:21:07,350 you know so I was just really curious I 2037 01:21:12,260 --> 01:21:08,520 mean you know when you were doing these 2038 01:21:14,240 --> 01:21:12,270 Locke mounting in Ponte fact aside from 2039 01:21:15,860 --> 01:21:14,250 the month did you actually see anything 2040 01:21:18,620 --> 01:21:15,870 in the house yourself or experienced 2041 01:21:20,450 --> 01:21:18,630 anything the only time that I felt weird 2042 01:21:22,850 --> 01:21:20,460 was going upstairs in the property when 2043 01:21:25,910 --> 01:21:22,860 we first got left I just felt think well 2044 01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:25,920 I've not eaten I was nervous I was due 2045 01:21:30,890 --> 01:21:27,930 to go on live television I was due to me 2046 01:21:32,840 --> 01:21:30,900 you know Paul O'Grady and Rowell and you 2047 01:21:35,810 --> 01:21:32,850 know so I think a lot of it was labs but 2048 01:21:38,630 --> 01:21:35,820 there was a strange smell upstairs this 2049 01:21:39,890 --> 01:21:38,640 sit send that seems to come on go and we 2050 01:21:42,530 --> 01:21:39,900 didn't stay in the property that long 2051 01:21:44,390 --> 01:21:42,540 but while we were up there it just felt 2052 01:21:46,340 --> 01:21:44,400 real but then again you know I've 2053 01:21:47,810 --> 01:21:46,350 watched the movie before I went so there 2054 01:21:49,910 --> 01:21:47,820 was a lot of stuff going on in my head 2055 01:21:51,590 --> 01:21:49,920 because I've been researching it and you 2056 01:21:53,780 --> 01:21:51,600 quite a lot already about all these 2057 01:21:55,430 --> 01:21:53,790 murders in poly for at I'd also known 2058 01:21:57,530 --> 01:21:55,440 I'll always talk about the English Civil 2059 01:21:58,640 --> 01:21:57,540 War and all you know the bloody battle 2060 01:22:00,770 --> 01:21:58,650 of checkered fields and you could argue 2061 01:22:03,950 --> 01:22:00,780 that already my head was full of stuff 2062 01:22:05,390 --> 01:22:03,960 which could have gone towards me feeling 2063 01:22:07,190 --> 01:22:05,400 that way but yeah I mean it's 2064 01:22:09,140 --> 01:22:07,200 interesting because I've spoke to 2065 01:22:10,700 --> 01:22:09,150 hundreds of people through the years 2066 01:22:12,260 --> 01:22:10,710 that have been there when people go they 2067 01:22:15,470 --> 01:22:12,270 often contact me to tell me what they've 2068 01:22:16,970 --> 01:22:15,480 seen and I also was able to be put in 2069 01:22:19,250 --> 01:22:16,980 touch with the family that lived there 2070 01:22:21,740 --> 01:22:19,260 one of my friends on Facebook he's 2071 01:22:23,270 --> 01:22:21,750 really to the Pritchard so she contacted 2072 01:22:25,190 --> 01:22:23,280 me and she was able to put me in contact 2073 01:22:26,930 --> 01:22:25,200 with a few people you know so I was able 2074 01:22:28,310 --> 01:22:26,940 to speak to the neighbors and stuff like 2075 01:22:30,710 --> 01:22:28,320 that and hear what what they'd 2076 01:22:33,200 --> 01:22:30,720 experienced so yeah I managed to build 2077 01:22:34,550 --> 01:22:33,210 up a kind of a chronological timeline of 2078 01:22:37,190 --> 01:22:34,560 events that have happened in the 2079 01:22:38,810 --> 01:22:37,200 property throughout the years from when 2080 01:22:40,970 --> 01:22:38,820 the picture from is that in experiences 2081 01:22:43,760 --> 01:22:40,980 all of the downs to recent years when 2082 01:22:44,870 --> 01:22:43,770 the paranormal groups in and there you 2083 01:22:45,470 --> 01:22:44,880 know they've seen things on the fair 2084 01:22:47,630 --> 01:22:45,480 thing 2085 01:22:48,590 --> 01:22:47,640 so I mean I found it fascinating I think 2086 01:22:50,330 --> 01:22:48,600 the only way they can get to the bottom 2087 01:22:53,060 --> 01:22:50,340 of that is it declares the house off 2088 01:22:55,460 --> 01:22:53,070 from fruits and and carry out some sort 2089 01:22:57,979 --> 01:22:55,470 of investigation without the human 2090 01:23:00,440 --> 01:22:57,989 element in SAP how to super happens yeah 2091 01:23:02,990 --> 01:23:00,450 I mean my only experience of the 2092 01:23:04,070 --> 01:23:03,000 paranormal and in pontypandy for those 2093 01:23:06,380 --> 01:23:04,080 that are not aware that they're 2094 01:23:09,140 --> 01:23:06,390 listening that the Pontic has a race 2095 01:23:11,570 --> 01:23:09,150 course horse racing and there used to be 2096 01:23:13,729 --> 01:23:11,580 as you come off the m62 motorway on 2097 01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:13,739 Junction 30 - listen literally about 2098 01:23:20,840 --> 01:23:15,930 half a mile from the junction there used 2099 01:23:23,330 --> 01:23:20,850 to be the Parkside Hotel this is a place 2100 01:23:27,200 --> 01:23:23,340 where a few years ago used to world a 2101 01:23:29,890 --> 01:23:27,210 UFO conferences if that's right this way 2102 01:23:32,990 --> 01:23:29,900 I think we have two or three there and 2103 01:23:35,240 --> 01:23:33,000 you know I talked to all the the bar 2104 01:23:38,750 --> 01:23:35,250 staff there as one does when you 2105 01:23:43,450 --> 01:23:38,760 socializing and you know they they told 2106 01:23:46,550 --> 01:23:43,460 me quite openly that it was haunted and 2107 01:23:47,990 --> 01:23:46,560 not so much singing of course but like 2108 01:23:50,090 --> 01:23:48,000 you were saying Mike if you're being 2109 01:23:51,830 --> 01:23:50,100 touched and things like that and even we 2110 01:23:54,830 --> 01:23:51,840 were there one night and the girl behind 2111 01:23:57,050 --> 01:23:54,840 the bar said stop it so and so you know 2112 01:23:58,610 --> 01:23:57,060 she said you know he just flipped me 2113 01:24:00,370 --> 01:23:58,620 hair at the side I didn't see a hair 2114 01:24:02,870 --> 01:24:00,380 being flipped but I wasn't looking so 2115 01:24:06,020 --> 01:24:02,880 there is that history with it as well 2116 01:24:07,490 --> 01:24:06,030 that the park sign you know closed and 2117 01:24:10,910 --> 01:24:07,500 fell into ruin and is now being 2118 01:24:15,350 --> 01:24:10,920 demolished so it's no longer there but I 2119 01:24:18,370 --> 01:24:15,360 was just curious about about 30 East 2120 01:24:20,750 --> 01:24:18,380 Drive and the map and the mad monk 2121 01:24:24,229 --> 01:24:20,760 another thing I want to ask you as well 2122 01:24:25,550 --> 01:24:24,239 Mike and this this this is this is 2123 01:24:27,229 --> 01:24:25,560 something that crosses the whole 2124 01:24:30,260 --> 01:24:27,239 spectrum of what somebody might call 2125 01:24:34,310 --> 01:24:30,270 paranormal when a class put UFOs into 2126 01:24:38,600 --> 01:24:34,320 that as well is got a lot of people 2127 01:24:42,590 --> 01:24:38,610 claiming to seeing ghosts and people you 2128 01:24:46,160 --> 01:24:42,600 know are in the UFO field a see aliens 2129 01:24:48,020 --> 01:24:46,170 but yeah we don't have any concrete 2130 01:24:50,150 --> 01:24:48,030 evidence that we can put on the 2131 01:24:56,030 --> 01:24:50,160 microscope in the way of photographs or 2132 01:24:57,770 --> 01:24:56,040 film really I mean at Chris's I've told 2133 01:24:59,150 --> 01:24:57,780 him in its conference last year not this 2134 01:25:01,280 --> 01:24:59,160 year last year 2135 01:25:03,800 --> 01:25:01,290 and spoke you were the opening speaker 2136 01:25:05,900 --> 01:25:03,810 that day Mike I don't know one of the 2137 01:25:10,190 --> 01:25:05,910 things that Ross has mentioned because 2138 01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:10,200 one of Ross's jobs easy films Lynde 2139 01:25:16,310 --> 01:25:12,330 rhinos rugby team he's made the 2140 01:25:19,220 --> 01:25:16,320 statement that as the population now has 2141 01:25:21,350 --> 01:25:19,230 pretty much access to a phone and on 2142 01:25:24,770 --> 01:25:21,360 that phone is is you know some good 2143 01:25:26,480 --> 01:25:24,780 quality camera equipment that's got 2144 01:25:28,930 --> 01:25:26,490 better and better as the years have gone 2145 01:25:31,460 --> 01:25:28,940 by but the actual images of so-called 2146 01:25:35,120 --> 01:25:31,470 UFOs in the paranormal of actually got 2147 01:25:37,370 --> 01:25:35,130 worse so you know is that a piece of 2148 01:25:39,650 --> 01:25:37,380 film Mike that you could recommend to 2149 01:25:42,110 --> 01:25:39,660 the the listen I say I'm a looking at 2150 01:25:45,170 --> 01:25:42,120 this it's this shows of goats not a 2151 01:25:47,810 --> 01:25:45,180 buffer smoke you know not a knob for 2152 01:25:49,610 --> 01:25:47,820 God's sake you know but you know a 2153 01:25:51,350 --> 01:25:49,620 figure that goes through a wall or 2154 01:25:53,270 --> 01:25:51,360 through a door up you know a ghost that 2155 01:25:55,250 --> 01:25:53,280 someone would describe it on an alien 2156 01:25:57,740 --> 01:25:55,260 for that matter is anything like that 2157 01:25:59,570 --> 01:25:57,750 you know it's difficult because a lot of 2158 01:26:02,180 --> 01:25:59,580 the stuff I see I've get quite skeptical 2159 01:26:05,840 --> 01:26:02,190 of what I'm watching and you know there 2160 01:26:07,220 --> 01:26:05,850 was a post on social media not that long 2161 01:26:09,980 --> 01:26:07,230 ago and it was of a girl and she 2162 01:26:11,510 --> 01:26:09,990 basically she'd filmed paranormal 2163 01:26:13,550 --> 01:26:11,520 activity going on in her house 2164 01:26:14,780 --> 01:26:13,560 but skeptically speaking where she was 2165 01:26:17,120 --> 01:26:14,790 standing you could have quite easily 2166 01:26:18,920 --> 01:26:17,130 rigged that up with fishing wire so this 2167 01:26:21,260 --> 01:26:18,930 I don't think is any real kind of 2168 01:26:23,540 --> 01:26:21,270 smoking gone that I could say was under 2169 01:26:25,430 --> 01:26:23,550 percent proof that you know it was sort 2170 01:26:26,060 --> 01:26:25,440 of paranormal a lot of the stuff I get 2171 01:26:28,310 --> 01:26:26,070 sent 2172 01:26:30,800 --> 01:26:28,320 I'm always quite skeptical of you know 2173 01:26:32,690 --> 01:26:30,810 I've seen balls of light dance around 2174 01:26:36,860 --> 01:26:32,700 properties and stuff like that the other 2175 01:26:39,050 --> 01:26:36,870 week I was sent some photographs of a 2176 01:26:40,850 --> 01:26:39,060 lane in the old part of town and people 2177 01:26:42,950 --> 01:26:40,860 had been seeing this ball of light on 2178 01:26:44,600 --> 01:26:42,960 this Lane and lots of people had 2179 01:26:46,160 --> 01:26:44,610 photographed this ball of light and 2180 01:26:47,720 --> 01:26:46,170 people were sending me these pictures 2181 01:26:49,700 --> 01:26:47,730 and the same thing you had debunk it and 2182 01:26:51,140 --> 01:26:49,710 we was on a I was on a ghost while the 2183 01:26:53,480 --> 01:26:51,150 other night with my company and I took a 2184 01:26:55,390 --> 01:26:53,490 group of students out and they were all 2185 01:26:57,710 --> 01:26:55,400 taking photographs and one of them was a 2186 01:26:59,360 --> 01:26:57,720 medius children and he said to me 2187 01:27:01,460 --> 01:26:59,370 there's a light at the end of the lid 2188 01:27:02,990 --> 01:27:01,470 and if you put your hand over the light 2189 01:27:06,080 --> 01:27:03,000 it blocks out the ball of light that 2190 01:27:07,700 --> 01:27:06,090 we're all seeing and it did and we I was 2191 01:27:09,020 --> 01:27:07,710 like well yeah you you've just totally 2192 01:27:10,430 --> 01:27:09,030 explained what all these people are 2193 01:27:13,040 --> 01:27:10,440 captured and yet no one's had the 2194 01:27:15,410 --> 01:27:13,050 foresight to kind of experiment 2195 01:27:16,910 --> 01:27:15,420 and check it out and then on the 2196 01:27:19,190 --> 01:27:16,920 flipside of that just around the corner 2197 01:27:20,840 --> 01:27:19,200 with an old chair and I did a charity 2198 01:27:23,240 --> 01:27:20,850 gust while couple years back on 2199 01:27:26,120 --> 01:27:23,250 Halloween and a gentleman called Jimmy 2200 01:27:27,590 --> 01:27:26,130 took three photographs on one of the 2201 01:27:30,320 --> 01:27:27,600 photographs it look like a man was 2202 01:27:32,750 --> 01:27:30,330 wearing a top hat but there was no one 2203 01:27:34,280 --> 01:27:32,760 around dressed like that the second 2204 01:27:35,870 --> 01:27:34,290 photograph looked left make a fish 2205 01:27:37,550 --> 01:27:35,880 trying to get through the bars of the 2206 01:27:39,890 --> 01:27:37,560 chair and then the Fed photograph had 2207 01:27:42,110 --> 01:27:39,900 nothing on and he sent all three 2208 01:27:43,820 --> 01:27:42,120 photographs to the media and they 2209 01:27:46,040 --> 01:27:43,830 published the third one which had 2210 01:27:47,870 --> 01:27:46,050 nothing on and said basically you know 2211 01:27:49,940 --> 01:27:47,880 what can you see well there's nothing on 2212 01:27:51,920 --> 01:27:49,950 it to see but only you still get people 2213 01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:51,930 coming in saying well I can see fierce I 2214 01:27:55,400 --> 01:27:53,370 can see this I can see that I can see 2215 01:27:57,710 --> 01:27:55,410 the other a few years ago I did a a 2216 01:27:59,690 --> 01:27:57,720 ghost walk with then some friends a man 2217 01:28:01,610 --> 01:27:59,700 one of them's our skeptic he's a guy 2218 01:28:04,910 --> 01:28:01,620 called Terry and he was stood near a 2219 01:28:07,070 --> 01:28:04,920 building taking photos and was in the 2220 01:28:08,660 --> 01:28:07,080 group and at that time his daughter 2221 01:28:10,910 --> 01:28:08,670 always stood in the group was taking a 2222 01:28:12,680 --> 01:28:10,920 photo of him and when she looks at the 2223 01:28:14,810 --> 01:28:12,690 foot on her phone there was a gentleman 2224 01:28:17,240 --> 01:28:14,820 in a black cowl browser sorry a brown 2225 01:28:19,190 --> 01:28:17,250 cow or walking beyond that and there was 2226 01:28:21,140 --> 01:28:19,200 no one in the street and it looked like 2227 01:28:22,220 --> 01:28:21,150 a mall and she went over to read that 2228 01:28:23,930 --> 01:28:22,230 look at this and she sent me the 2229 01:28:27,170 --> 01:28:23,940 pictures and this there was still kind 2230 01:28:28,670 --> 01:28:27,180 of explain who that was well and he's a 2231 01:28:30,890 --> 01:28:28,680 skeptic that she showed him that foot 2232 01:28:32,960 --> 01:28:30,900 and it was Easter I said well no more 2233 01:28:34,580 --> 01:28:32,970 money yeah I was on my own high street 2234 01:28:35,360 --> 01:28:34,590 in halls quite well lit Chris Chris will 2235 01:28:39,380 --> 01:28:35,370 testify to that 2236 01:28:40,910 --> 01:28:39,390 yes I agree it's it's a medieval part of 2237 01:28:42,410 --> 01:28:40,920 town but there's plenty of lighting down 2238 01:28:44,330 --> 01:28:42,420 there so that you can see your wear out 2239 01:28:46,130 --> 01:28:44,340 and you can the street is in a stray 2240 01:28:48,680 --> 01:28:46,140 lamb so you could see people approaching 2241 01:28:50,120 --> 01:28:48,690 and you can hear them and yet we've got 2242 01:28:52,490 --> 01:28:50,130 this photograph that shows very clearly 2243 01:28:54,260 --> 01:28:52,500 something in a brown cow or walk and be 2244 01:28:56,210 --> 01:28:54,270 at one of the one other group you know 2245 01:28:57,440 --> 01:28:56,220 and stuff like that I mean oh I've got 2246 01:28:59,960 --> 01:28:57,450 permission to put it in one of my books 2247 01:29:01,460 --> 01:28:59,970 well things like that or a few and far 2248 01:29:04,220 --> 01:29:01,470 between bursts of it's a my gets in 2249 01:29:05,690 --> 01:29:04,230 pictures of orbs which you know you 2250 01:29:07,340 --> 01:29:05,700 can't rule out douche but what a 2251 01:29:08,900 --> 01:29:07,350 moisture or you know things like that 2252 01:29:10,580 --> 01:29:08,910 okay 2253 01:29:11,990 --> 01:29:10,590 the big one at the minute yeah the 2254 01:29:14,060 --> 01:29:12,000 people at a minute if people taking 2255 01:29:15,500 --> 01:29:14,070 photos of the Sun and then stare 2256 01:29:17,120 --> 01:29:15,510 mother's experience right in the bottom 2257 01:29:19,100 --> 01:29:17,130 well yeah it's the glare from the Sun 2258 01:29:20,150 --> 01:29:19,110 you know wish you went with cameras so 2259 01:29:22,700 --> 01:29:20,160 you all know all about that 2260 01:29:25,010 --> 01:29:22,710 and then people taking photos of mirrors 2261 01:29:26,870 --> 01:29:25,020 and saying well there's something in the 2262 01:29:29,090 --> 01:29:26,880 mirror but when you say 2263 01:29:30,680 --> 01:29:29,100 polish the mirror was the mirror problem 2264 01:29:33,200 --> 01:29:30,690 there possible that he go that it could 2265 01:29:34,640 --> 01:29:33,210 be a smudge and people are gonna rule 2266 01:29:36,440 --> 01:29:34,650 this stuff out first before they can 2267 01:29:38,090 --> 01:29:36,450 come forward and say it's paranormal but 2268 01:29:39,590 --> 01:29:38,100 the one I'm getting a lot of it the 2269 01:29:42,020 --> 01:29:39,600 minute there's an app that you can 2270 01:29:43,880 --> 01:29:42,030 download on your mobile phone so that 2271 01:29:46,880 --> 01:29:43,890 when you take photographs you can you 2272 01:29:49,400 --> 01:29:46,890 can put the picture of a ghost into your 2273 01:29:50,780 --> 01:29:49,410 photograph and I'm getting so many of 2274 01:29:52,760 --> 01:29:50,790 them and it's always the same volume the 2275 01:29:55,520 --> 01:29:52,770 same gal you know and it I believe 2276 01:29:57,470 --> 01:29:55,530 there's a number and put a UFO on it as 2277 01:29:59,900 --> 01:29:57,480 well so if there is filth yeah there is 2278 01:30:02,600 --> 01:29:59,910 I've actually seen these because what 2279 01:30:04,430 --> 01:30:02,610 amazes me I mean you know people claim 2280 01:30:07,160 --> 01:30:04,440 that you know certainly Britain is one 2281 01:30:09,920 --> 01:30:07,170 of the most watched countries as far as 2282 01:30:12,700 --> 01:30:09,930 CCTV is it's here there and everywhere 2283 01:30:15,980 --> 01:30:12,710 and of course we all got mobile phones 2284 01:30:17,960 --> 01:30:15,990 pretty much all of us although I don't 2285 01:30:21,320 --> 01:30:17,970 my old flip phone could film anything 2286 01:30:24,320 --> 01:30:21,330 you don't want me good but you know from 2287 01:30:26,840 --> 01:30:24,330 a UFO point of view I couldn't handle 2288 01:30:28,850 --> 01:30:26,850 her say to somebody go look at this film 2289 01:30:31,970 --> 01:30:28,860 because it shows an alien it was 2290 01:30:33,800 --> 01:30:31,980 captured on CCTV or whatever you know my 2291 01:30:36,320 --> 01:30:33,810 next-door neighbor you know they've got 2292 01:30:39,740 --> 01:30:36,330 the whole house rigged and they can see 2293 01:30:41,660 --> 01:30:39,750 everything and and it just puzzle map 2294 01:30:45,290 --> 01:30:41,670 was it was he correct me if I'm wrong 2295 01:30:48,710 --> 01:30:45,300 Mike was it this year that the most 2296 01:30:52,100 --> 01:30:48,720 haunted a TV show actually claimed to 2297 01:30:54,050 --> 01:30:52,110 have got a full blown person apparition 2298 01:30:56,660 --> 01:30:54,060 whatever you want to call it on caught 2299 01:30:58,070 --> 01:30:56,670 on camera I believe what's down the end 2300 01:30:59,930 --> 01:30:58,080 of a corridor went through a doorway 2301 01:31:02,420 --> 01:30:59,940 somewhere am i right 2302 01:31:04,700 --> 01:31:02,430 I think I did yeah sorry guys I was just 2303 01:31:06,740 --> 01:31:04,710 going to say that and I actually saw 2304 01:31:09,950 --> 01:31:06,750 that on TV myself Philly and it was down 2305 01:31:12,860 --> 01:31:09,960 a corridor corridor and this apparition 2306 01:31:14,690 --> 01:31:12,870 figure was right off in the distance and 2307 01:31:16,520 --> 01:31:14,700 it appeared to be going down a set of 2308 01:31:18,290 --> 01:31:16,530 stairs in the background he's not the 2309 01:31:21,970 --> 01:31:18,300 one that you think enough I think the 2310 01:31:24,530 --> 01:31:21,980 doorway involved somewhere yeah the 2311 01:31:25,790 --> 01:31:24,540 doorway I just wondered if you'd seen it 2312 01:31:28,190 --> 01:31:25,800 Mike what you would think of that 2313 01:31:30,410 --> 01:31:28,200 because I heard someone it looks like 2314 01:31:32,720 --> 01:31:30,420 one of the cameramen or the crew it did 2315 01:31:36,410 --> 01:31:32,730 yeah actually yeah I've seen it it 2316 01:31:39,050 --> 01:31:36,420 looked like Stuart walking away and the 2317 01:31:40,850 --> 01:31:39,060 weird thingy is I mean most Alec goes 2318 01:31:43,430 --> 01:31:40,860 into a lot of grief and 2319 01:31:45,290 --> 01:31:43,440 people often worked on the show and 2320 01:31:46,910 --> 01:31:45,300 spent time with the cast while the 2321 01:31:49,760 --> 01:31:46,920 cameras are not well there are a bunch 2322 01:31:51,620 --> 01:31:49,770 of fairly honest people with an interest 2323 01:31:54,709 --> 01:31:51,630 in the paranormal and in fact when you 2324 01:31:56,629 --> 01:31:54,719 sit down and talk to Yvette and cow they 2325 01:31:59,660 --> 01:31:56,639 will talk about the history of locations 2326 01:32:01,310 --> 01:31:59,670 and bursts and where a haunted and you 2327 01:32:02,870 --> 01:32:01,320 know they do a lot of research and 2328 01:32:04,580 --> 01:32:02,880 people don't see that on screen they 2329 01:32:06,859 --> 01:32:04,590 don't see that this is that real passion 2330 01:32:08,689 --> 01:32:06,869 there and they want a cat capture stuff 2331 01:32:10,430 --> 01:32:08,699 you know and I've been there when they 2332 01:32:12,320 --> 01:32:10,440 did watch the phone camera and then 2333 01:32:14,209 --> 01:32:12,330 reviewing it in from the air and they're 2334 01:32:16,970 --> 01:32:14,219 jumping up and down like kids because 2335 01:32:18,770 --> 01:32:16,980 the so excite you know I remember right 2336 01:32:21,470 --> 01:32:18,780 there was an experiment that did when we 2337 01:32:24,649 --> 01:32:21,480 was filming and the name came through 2338 01:32:26,450 --> 01:32:24,659 and cow came rushing into the room and 2339 01:32:27,890 --> 01:32:26,460 took me a sad and he said to me I've got 2340 01:32:29,060 --> 01:32:27,900 a bit of paper with an M written on it 2341 01:32:30,919 --> 01:32:29,070 do you know this name 2342 01:32:32,240 --> 01:32:30,929 and he showed me the name and icon vamp 2343 01:32:34,700 --> 01:32:32,250 and then was in the history of the 2344 01:32:36,620 --> 01:32:34,710 building and he and he hooked me it 2345 01:32:38,780 --> 01:32:36,630 lifted me off my feet and it was like 2346 01:32:40,520 --> 01:32:38,790 yes yes and it was so excited you know 2347 01:32:42,500 --> 01:32:40,530 when you see things like that you think 2348 01:32:44,689 --> 01:32:42,510 maybe there is something genuine to it 2349 01:32:46,310 --> 01:32:44,699 and but they don't come under fire a lot 2350 01:32:48,169 --> 01:32:46,320 of people say about well it's obviously 2351 01:32:51,830 --> 01:32:48,179 rigged and hooked and this that and the 2352 01:32:53,689 --> 01:32:51,840 other and you know and then being on set 2353 01:32:55,669 --> 01:32:53,699 and seeing the excitement you know what 2354 01:32:56,990 --> 01:32:55,679 when when the parts within you know the 2355 01:32:58,550 --> 01:32:57,000 same with a plan and I'm a lot found 2356 01:33:00,859 --> 01:32:58,560 guys you know when I was chatting with 2357 01:33:02,959 --> 01:33:00,869 Nick and Katrina they have a genuine 2358 01:33:05,450 --> 01:33:02,969 interest in capturing evidence with the 2359 01:33:08,240 --> 01:33:05,460 people at home you know and it like I 2360 01:33:10,910 --> 01:33:08,250 was saying to them if you were to fit if 2361 01:33:13,640 --> 01:33:10,920 you were to fraudulently you know 2362 01:33:15,890 --> 01:33:13,650 manipulate the only people you fooling 2363 01:33:17,959 --> 01:33:15,900 yourselves really well I thought about 2364 01:33:20,390 --> 01:33:17,969 most haunted is that they've got to go 2365 01:33:23,149 --> 01:33:20,400 add a degree of an important person 2366 01:33:25,399 --> 01:33:23,159 inverted commas entertainment otherwise 2367 01:33:27,620 --> 01:33:25,409 you know people wouldn't watch it you 2368 01:33:29,479 --> 01:33:27,630 know oh yeah I mean I'm not saying 2369 01:33:31,189 --> 01:33:29,489 fakery got anything like that I'm just 2370 01:33:33,200 --> 01:33:31,199 saying that they've got you know they 2371 01:33:34,750 --> 01:33:33,210 are professional TV presenters so 2372 01:33:37,160 --> 01:33:34,760 they're not they know what they're doing 2373 01:33:39,140 --> 01:33:37,170 yeah I mean it's interesting because 2374 01:33:40,790 --> 01:33:39,150 I've been on investigations with them 2375 01:33:42,859 --> 01:33:40,800 where there's no cameras still superb 2376 01:33:45,410 --> 01:33:42,869 and I've been watching like a hawk and 2377 01:33:46,669 --> 01:33:45,420 the reactions are totally different than 2378 01:33:49,370 --> 01:33:46,679 what they are when they're on screen I 2379 01:33:51,410 --> 01:33:49,380 think one of the criticisms and this is 2380 01:33:53,270 --> 01:33:51,420 my little bumper and I'm sure you're 2381 01:33:54,290 --> 01:33:53,280 going to give me a good reason for it is 2382 01:33:56,510 --> 01:33:54,300 when you 2383 01:33:57,770 --> 01:33:56,520 these various paranormal shows what are 2384 01:34:02,569 --> 01:33:57,780 they always filmed at night and in the 2385 01:34:04,669 --> 01:34:02,579 dark you know yeah yeah I think that 2386 01:34:06,260 --> 01:34:04,679 adds an element of likely share the 2387 01:34:08,479 --> 01:34:06,270 entertainment you know because the 2388 01:34:11,030 --> 01:34:08,489 back.this is so full of shadows I've 2389 01:34:13,310 --> 01:34:11,040 conducted experiments during that there 2390 01:34:15,350 --> 01:34:13,320 I've had stuff happen during the day I 2391 01:34:17,299 --> 01:34:15,360 don't know why people choose to do it at 2392 01:34:19,399 --> 01:34:17,309 night I think like because there's 2393 01:34:21,350 --> 01:34:19,409 always that sort of element of what's in 2394 01:34:24,049 --> 01:34:21,360 that fat corner watching that you know 2395 01:34:25,580 --> 01:34:24,059 and things like that and it adds an 2396 01:34:27,620 --> 01:34:25,590 element of sort of it makes you scared 2397 01:34:30,020 --> 01:34:27,630 and this that and the other I remember 2398 01:34:32,930 --> 01:34:30,030 we did I was doing some work with the 2399 01:34:35,000 --> 01:34:32,940 BBC the guy I was with it was a skeptic 2400 01:34:37,100 --> 01:34:35,010 and he was recording me with an 2401 01:34:39,799 --> 01:34:37,110 old-fashioned you know the big boom mice 2402 01:34:41,350 --> 01:34:39,809 you get when you work it was record him 2403 01:34:43,459 --> 01:34:41,360 with that and it was not safe you know 2404 01:34:45,319 --> 01:34:43,469 we were in this room and he had his 2405 01:34:48,109 --> 01:34:45,329 headphones on me at them but the mic was 2406 01:34:49,790 --> 01:34:48,119 laid on the floor and there was getting 2407 01:34:51,680 --> 01:34:49,800 ready to start recording and he could 2408 01:34:54,109 --> 01:34:51,690 hear footsteps and we were the only 2409 01:34:55,370 --> 01:34:54,119 people in the building and it's that 2410 01:34:57,260 --> 01:34:55,380 panic you know he said I can hear 2411 01:34:58,729 --> 01:34:57,270 footsteps and he'd give me the edge set 2412 01:35:01,160 --> 01:34:58,739 and I could hear these footsteps and I 2413 01:35:02,810 --> 01:35:01,170 give him back to him you know and that 2414 01:35:04,339 --> 01:35:02,820 was it and I was off looking for the 2415 01:35:06,649 --> 01:35:04,349 source of these footsteps was it someone 2416 01:35:08,299 --> 01:35:06,659 that in the building with us everything 2417 01:35:09,680 --> 01:35:08,309 was secure everything was locked up and 2418 01:35:11,870 --> 01:35:09,690 I went back to him and I was panicking 2419 01:35:13,520 --> 01:35:11,880 and this is a guy who's a soul skeptic 2420 01:35:14,540 --> 01:35:13,530 and he said to me the footsteps are 2421 01:35:15,799 --> 01:35:14,550 getting closer they're getting louder 2422 01:35:17,839 --> 01:35:15,809 Denny's I she was beaten up he was 2423 01:35:20,419 --> 01:35:17,849 getting more and more scared and I said 2424 01:35:22,520 --> 01:35:20,429 son I cannot explain him and then in the 2425 01:35:23,569 --> 01:35:22,530 end they just stopped and to this day we 2426 01:35:24,770 --> 01:35:23,579 couldn't and that was in the middle of 2427 01:35:26,540 --> 01:35:24,780 the day it was beautiful sunny afternoon 2428 01:35:28,549 --> 01:35:26,550 you know the building was well 2429 01:35:30,859 --> 01:35:28,559 illuminated you know we didn't need the 2430 01:35:32,510 --> 01:35:30,869 lights because the windows were open an 2431 01:35:34,910 --> 01:35:32,520 airy and you know the light was coming 2432 01:35:36,799 --> 01:35:34,920 in you know so stuff does happen during 2433 01:35:38,569 --> 01:35:36,809 that there I think so the benefit of the 2434 01:35:39,950 --> 01:35:38,579 TV shows they were called at night to 2435 01:35:43,129 --> 01:35:39,960 make it look a little bit scary for the 2436 01:35:45,049 --> 01:35:43,139 viewer I mean all thing I would like to 2437 01:35:48,229 --> 01:35:45,059 ask you I mean a few years back you know 2438 01:35:52,640 --> 01:35:48,239 I lectured at Mont Custer castle up in 2439 01:35:54,560 --> 01:35:52,650 the Lake District and it is known for 2440 01:35:56,569 --> 01:35:54,570 its for its hauntings that's why they 2441 01:35:59,390 --> 01:35:56,579 did a little paranormal conference there 2442 01:36:01,580 --> 01:35:59,400 I was the token UFO researcher at that 2443 01:36:04,669 --> 01:36:01,590 time there was an investigation going on 2444 01:36:07,250 --> 01:36:04,679 in in the castle and there was a dot 2445 01:36:08,599 --> 01:36:07,260 Sundy orderly involved he was in charge 2446 01:36:10,580 --> 01:36:08,609 of it 2447 01:36:12,169 --> 01:36:10,590 I can't remember his name to be honest 2448 01:36:13,969 --> 01:36:12,179 well what they've done they got the 2449 01:36:18,500 --> 01:36:13,979 whole place with permission of the 2450 01:36:20,270 --> 01:36:18,510 owners of course wired up yeah and you 2451 01:36:22,099 --> 01:36:20,280 know he taught he told me I was fired 2452 01:36:24,229 --> 01:36:22,109 sprung to my mind when you were telling 2453 01:36:26,899 --> 01:36:24,239 me that story is that they had recorded 2454 01:36:29,509 --> 01:36:26,909 footsteps in one of the rooms when they 2455 01:36:32,299 --> 01:36:29,519 knew there was nobody in because they'd 2456 01:36:35,299 --> 01:36:32,309 sealed the place off and I just wondered 2457 01:36:37,279 --> 01:36:35,309 as she was as a full-blown paranormal 2458 01:36:39,919 --> 01:36:37,289 researcher is there an establishment 2459 01:36:42,229 --> 01:36:39,929 that you'd like to conduct your own 2460 01:36:44,449 --> 01:36:42,239 investigation of that type where the 2461 01:36:46,339 --> 01:36:44,459 building is sealed there's no you know 2462 01:36:49,129 --> 01:36:46,349 you're in total charger you can wire 2463 01:36:51,529 --> 01:36:49,139 help with you know audio-video sensors 2464 01:36:54,319 --> 01:36:51,539 whatever is that a location like that 2465 01:36:56,509 --> 01:36:54,329 that you'd like to do Mike oh yeah there 2466 01:36:59,659 --> 01:36:56,519 was we was in a place a couple of weeks 2467 01:37:01,639 --> 01:36:59,669 ago I was in a underground cellar system 2468 01:37:04,639 --> 01:37:01,649 which has never been open to the public 2469 01:37:06,589 --> 01:37:04,649 I just think you're up there and I just 2470 01:37:08,569 --> 01:37:06,599 seems a lot because when we were trying 2471 01:37:12,139 --> 01:37:08,579 to connect with unit before we began the 2472 01:37:13,969 --> 01:37:12,149 show I said to Chris it said I'm just 2473 01:37:22,429 --> 01:37:13,979 gonna get on a mic now and I still be in 2474 01:37:24,080 --> 01:37:22,439 a cellar somewhere magnificent Victorian 2475 01:37:26,509 --> 01:37:24,090 cellar and it's never been investigated 2476 01:37:28,040 --> 01:37:26,519 as far and we got chatting about stuff 2477 01:37:30,020 --> 01:37:28,050 and and my friend was with me and he 2478 01:37:33,290 --> 01:37:30,030 said to me you know what great to get 2479 01:37:35,509 --> 01:37:33,300 skeptics in yeah and not not give them 2480 01:37:37,759 --> 01:37:35,519 the whole it's army thing just get a 2481 01:37:39,830 --> 01:37:37,769 group of skeptics in then the next night 2482 01:37:41,330 --> 01:37:39,840 get a group of believers in spend the 2483 01:37:43,849 --> 01:37:41,340 next night get a group of investigators 2484 01:37:46,129 --> 01:37:43,859 in and just see what results would get 2485 01:37:47,689 --> 01:37:46,139 from each one and not I mean the thing 2486 01:37:49,489 --> 01:37:47,699 is with the paranormal world is when you 2487 01:37:52,159 --> 01:37:49,499 go to these places the posters will say 2488 01:37:54,049 --> 01:37:52,169 you know as seen on this show this is 2489 01:37:56,330 --> 01:37:54,059 what's happened here and then we'll give 2490 01:37:58,159 --> 01:37:56,340 you the spiel before you even throw us 2491 01:38:00,709 --> 01:37:58,169 and what I would rather do is just have 2492 01:38:02,659 --> 01:38:00,719 people come on to a venue with an open 2493 01:38:03,799 --> 01:38:02,669 mind and what you know where'd you stay 2494 01:38:05,389 --> 01:38:03,809 in you're basically you're gonna go not 2495 01:38:07,250 --> 01:38:05,399 the cellar or whoever else we want to 2496 01:38:09,290 --> 01:38:07,260 know what you think and that's it and 2497 01:38:11,449 --> 01:38:09,300 then I'd like to do something along 2498 01:38:12,379 --> 01:38:11,459 those lines and then compare the results 2499 01:38:15,169 --> 01:38:12,389 at the end of the week 2500 01:38:18,199 --> 01:38:15,179 and see who experienced what you know 2501 01:38:20,449 --> 01:38:18,209 see whether the the believers actually 2502 01:38:21,710 --> 01:38:20,459 experience edited and see whether the 2503 01:38:22,880 --> 01:38:21,720 skeptics could 2504 01:38:24,350 --> 01:38:22,890 playing away and what the believe you 2505 01:38:26,150 --> 01:38:24,360 know and that sort of thing that's 2506 01:38:28,640 --> 01:38:26,160 always fascinated me if you if you take 2507 01:38:30,410 --> 01:38:28,650 different groups in I did a knight once 2508 01:38:32,480 --> 01:38:30,420 and that lady had come from a well-known 2509 01:38:35,180 --> 01:38:32,490 shopping center and she said to me all 2510 01:38:36,800 --> 01:38:35,190 this paranormal stuff is rubbish and we 2511 01:38:38,360 --> 01:38:36,810 was in the venue and after about five 2512 01:38:40,280 --> 01:38:38,370 minutes she was screaming she was in 2513 01:38:42,380 --> 01:38:40,290 hysterics she wanted to be taken home 2514 01:38:43,970 --> 01:38:42,390 she wanted me to get in a taxi and I 2515 01:38:46,100 --> 01:38:43,980 took her outside master what she'd seen 2516 01:38:48,050 --> 01:38:46,110 and she'd seen that that shadowy figure 2517 01:38:50,570 --> 01:38:48,060 running across the back wall of the 2518 01:38:52,130 --> 01:38:50,580 premises now I said to her look we need 2519 01:38:53,360 --> 01:38:52,140 to go up and debunk this we need to go 2520 01:38:54,920 --> 01:38:53,370 and investigate you know you need to 2521 01:38:57,680 --> 01:38:54,930 fear she fears I'll come back with me 2522 01:38:59,000 --> 01:38:57,690 and we went up there and we had to look 2523 01:39:00,800 --> 01:38:59,010 in the room and while we were stood 2524 01:39:02,840 --> 01:39:00,810 there she saw it again she freaked out 2525 01:39:04,910 --> 01:39:02,850 and I grabbed that and said look we're 2526 01:39:07,250 --> 01:39:04,920 wet Simba can buff see it in the next 2527 01:39:09,590 --> 01:39:07,260 time there was two figures running along 2528 01:39:12,260 --> 01:39:09,600 the wall and I pointed out to her that 2529 01:39:14,210 --> 01:39:12,270 when cars passed by up sad the 2530 01:39:16,190 --> 01:39:14,220 headlights were flashing for the windows 2531 01:39:18,620 --> 01:39:16,200 Shannon on our backs 2532 01:39:21,920 --> 01:39:18,630 said that towards it the wall I was 2533 01:39:24,770 --> 01:39:21,930 shadows were moving and in the back mr. 2534 01:39:27,470 --> 01:39:24,780 Costas that looks like it's a bat figure 2535 01:39:28,850 --> 01:39:27,480 moving across the wall and after that 2536 01:39:29,900 --> 01:39:28,860 showed me she was good Dillon said I 2537 01:39:31,990 --> 01:39:29,910 can't believe I'm frightened of each 2538 01:39:38,990 --> 01:39:32,000 other 2539 01:39:41,450 --> 01:39:39,000 I mean if we assume that sorry if we 2540 01:39:45,680 --> 01:39:41,460 assume that you know hauntings stop the 2541 01:39:48,350 --> 01:39:45,690 paranormal are real other there are some 2542 01:39:51,620 --> 01:39:48,360 genuine phenomena here Mike you know I'm 2543 01:39:55,250 --> 01:39:51,630 quite skeptical myself but I have 2544 01:39:57,350 --> 01:39:55,260 witnessed the paranormal firsthand so 2545 01:39:59,360 --> 01:39:57,360 what lies behind it all Mike why is it 2546 01:40:01,700 --> 01:39:59,370 I'm looking with us the same of a UFO 2547 01:40:03,530 --> 01:40:01,710 researcher what what lies behind the UFO 2548 01:40:06,260 --> 01:40:03,540 phenomena what's your opinion what's 2549 01:40:07,940 --> 01:40:06,270 your take on this you know if you've 2550 01:40:11,120 --> 01:40:07,950 seen these things you've experienced 2551 01:40:16,340 --> 01:40:11,130 them what other what is it and well I 2552 01:40:17,950 --> 01:40:16,350 mean all I can think of is you know in 2553 01:40:25,360 --> 01:40:17,960 life 2554 01:40:27,680 --> 01:40:25,370 well we die and the energy that we took 2555 01:40:29,000 --> 01:40:27,690 if we is because a lot of the venues I 2556 01:40:30,620 --> 01:40:29,010 research I'll actually go for the 2557 01:40:32,480 --> 01:40:30,630 history and fan evidence or you know 2558 01:40:34,100 --> 01:40:32,490 that's at the properties and things like 2559 01:40:35,600 --> 01:40:34,110 that but a lot of properties that have 2560 01:40:37,550 --> 01:40:35,610 been called in soon 2561 01:40:38,990 --> 01:40:37,560 we've had psychics going that administer 2562 01:40:40,370 --> 01:40:39,000 history so you already have a 2563 01:40:42,860 --> 01:40:40,380 preconceived notion that you're gonna 2564 01:40:44,420 --> 01:40:42,870 see a monk or you gonna see children and 2565 01:40:46,610 --> 01:40:44,430 this and the other you know some people 2566 01:40:48,320 --> 01:40:46,620 will go along already with ID ears of 2567 01:40:49,880 --> 01:40:48,330 what they will see and when stuff 2568 01:40:50,300 --> 01:40:49,890 happens that just reaffirms that belief 2569 01:40:52,550 --> 01:40:50,310 for them 2570 01:40:55,370 --> 01:40:52,560 you know and it I like to experiment I 2571 01:40:57,470 --> 01:40:55,380 like to go to places where nobody really 2572 01:40:59,360 --> 01:40:57,480 knows anything about it I remember once 2573 01:41:01,820 --> 01:40:59,370 I went to a castle in Scotland that was 2574 01:41:04,070 --> 01:41:01,830 haunted and the story was that this guy 2575 01:41:06,320 --> 01:41:04,080 was walking through a forest it gone up 2576 01:41:09,020 --> 01:41:06,330 to the castle and the burst of some sort 2577 01:41:11,090 --> 01:41:09,030 of ancient landowner had come towards 2578 01:41:12,830 --> 01:41:11,100 him and he was brandishing a sword and 2579 01:41:14,960 --> 01:41:12,840 he attacked this manner and cut his in 2580 01:41:18,110 --> 01:41:14,970 Saturn years that had been passed around 2581 01:41:19,640 --> 01:41:18,120 as a trigger stop and I said well who 2582 01:41:21,620 --> 01:41:19,650 told the story if the man's dead and 2583 01:41:24,680 --> 01:41:21,630 he's out his insides pulled out who was 2584 01:41:26,690 --> 01:41:24,690 it all told the ghosts are all right do 2585 01:41:28,580 --> 01:41:26,700 you know or and you know I've been in 2586 01:41:29,770 --> 01:41:28,590 places where I've seen psychics read 2587 01:41:32,120 --> 01:41:29,780 upon the history before the 2588 01:41:34,220 --> 01:41:32,130 investigation and then they will come 2589 01:41:37,460 --> 01:41:34,230 out with all the right names you know 2590 01:41:39,050 --> 01:41:37,470 the same samma and you know I've been to 2591 01:41:40,730 --> 01:41:39,060 places with certain psychics that have 2592 01:41:42,860 --> 01:41:40,740 just come up on the same information at 2593 01:41:45,490 --> 01:41:42,870 different venues leading me to believe 2594 01:41:48,230 --> 01:41:45,500 that maybe there's something 2595 01:41:49,490 --> 01:41:48,240 psychological going on there where the 2596 01:41:51,920 --> 01:41:49,500 voices that the hair in are not 2597 01:41:53,600 --> 01:41:51,930 paranormal but perhaps you know in their 2598 01:41:54,830 --> 01:41:53,610 own head you know there was a female 2599 01:41:56,330 --> 01:41:54,840 that was working with him and went to 2600 01:41:58,850 --> 01:41:56,340 four different venues and she picked up 2601 01:42:01,010 --> 01:41:58,860 on her a young boy an angry man and a 2602 01:42:03,380 --> 01:42:01,020 ghostly monkey every single venue in 2603 01:42:05,300 --> 01:42:03,390 that order and that to me would indicate 2604 01:42:07,490 --> 01:42:05,310 that maybe she's there in those voices 2605 01:42:10,160 --> 01:42:07,500 and them not actually it's spiritual but 2606 01:42:12,320 --> 01:42:10,170 yeah I mean I found it fascinating for 2607 01:42:13,940 --> 01:42:12,330 me that the whole Sporty's is going out 2608 01:42:15,620 --> 01:42:13,950 to these venues and stuff and I've got 2609 01:42:17,720 --> 01:42:15,630 Jonah there I've got show in the name 2610 01:42:20,870 --> 01:42:17,730 you know I'm often out and about 2611 01:42:23,000 --> 01:42:20,880 somewhere getting up to mischief in some 2612 01:42:26,270 --> 01:42:23,010 location and I just found it fascinating 2613 01:42:28,370 --> 01:42:26,280 and for me it stopped being frightening 2614 01:42:29,810 --> 01:42:28,380 a long time ago but I get people come 2615 01:42:32,960 --> 01:42:29,820 with it as so scared you know 2616 01:42:34,310 --> 01:42:32,970 and people constantly because they ask 2617 01:42:36,530 --> 01:42:34,320 out about this sort of thing and I'll 2618 01:42:38,030 --> 01:42:36,540 put them in touch with you know priests 2619 01:42:40,610 --> 01:42:38,040 and all sorts to try and get them 2620 01:42:42,110 --> 01:42:40,620 closure but in the meantime it's the 2621 01:42:43,030 --> 01:42:42,120 whole adventure side of it I found I've 2622 01:42:45,830 --> 01:42:43,040 sort of Basilan 2623 01:42:47,300 --> 01:42:45,840 use kneez kneez girl when I first that 2624 01:42:49,160 --> 01:42:47,310 and how it must have been about the 2625 01:42:51,470 --> 01:42:49,170 first year I was researching 2626 01:42:54,020 --> 01:42:51,480 and that I was actively doing paranormal 2627 01:42:56,990 --> 01:42:54,030 investigations I was at a whole new 2628 01:43:00,860 --> 01:42:57,000 theater and there I was sat on my own in 2629 01:43:02,870 --> 01:43:00,870 Royal Box B and I heard footsteps there 2630 01:43:04,520 --> 01:43:02,880 was no one there head scratching on the 2631 01:43:07,250 --> 01:43:04,530 die opened the door there was no one 2632 01:43:09,110 --> 01:43:07,260 there one of the chairs moved in the box 2633 01:43:11,060 --> 01:43:09,120 and there was no one in there apart from 2634 01:43:13,280 --> 01:43:11,070 me and then I felt like someone had 2635 01:43:15,320 --> 01:43:13,290 blown on my neck and at that point I was 2636 01:43:17,420 --> 01:43:15,330 terrified because there was a physical 2637 01:43:19,550 --> 01:43:17,430 interaction there something blow on my 2638 01:43:21,320 --> 01:43:19,560 neck I was eventually the group came and 2639 01:43:24,410 --> 01:43:21,330 they got me from the box so we went 2640 01:43:26,300 --> 01:43:24,420 downstairs and I went into the little 2641 01:43:27,920 --> 01:43:26,310 boy's room and I was stood at the Iran 2642 01:43:29,570 --> 01:43:27,930 or when the guy next to me who was 2643 01:43:31,100 --> 01:43:29,580 filming said to me look you've got 2644 01:43:33,350 --> 01:43:31,110 something on you now 2645 01:43:35,270 --> 01:43:33,360 and we looked in the mirror and I had 2646 01:43:37,640 --> 01:43:35,280 three big scratch marks on one there and 2647 01:43:39,200 --> 01:43:37,650 that put me off visiting whole new 2648 01:43:40,520 --> 01:43:39,210 theatre for a year I wouldn't go back 2649 01:43:42,170 --> 01:43:40,530 and eventually when I did the first 2650 01:43:43,460 --> 01:43:42,180 thing I did I said look I want to go in 2651 01:43:45,530 --> 01:43:43,470 the box can you leave me alone in the 2652 01:43:47,180 --> 01:43:45,540 box for an hour and I went and sat there 2653 01:43:49,760 --> 01:43:47,190 and nothing happens you know and I got 2654 01:43:50,900 --> 01:43:49,770 over that and but yeah that really 2655 01:43:52,490 --> 01:43:50,910 terrified me because there was a 2656 01:43:54,410 --> 01:43:52,500 physical interaction I thought what it 2657 01:43:55,910 --> 01:43:54,420 is I can explain what it is but that 2658 01:43:56,810 --> 01:43:55,920 that was weird I mean that the weird 2659 01:43:59,780 --> 01:43:56,820 thing about that as well he's the guy 2660 01:44:02,480 --> 01:43:59,790 who ran this there's the guy who used to 2661 01:44:03,710 --> 01:44:02,490 let us in but then he actually turn 2662 01:44:05,120 --> 01:44:03,720 around - was at the end of the Larry 2663 01:44:06,350 --> 01:44:05,130 consider what someone had been messing 2664 01:44:07,820 --> 01:44:06,360 about with a Ouija board in there the 2665 01:44:09,620 --> 01:44:07,830 way too far but yeah I mean that was 2666 01:44:11,240 --> 01:44:09,630 really weird and after this there still 2667 01:44:14,020 --> 01:44:11,250 kind of explain it that's the only 2668 01:44:16,460 --> 01:44:14,030 instance where something was physically 2669 01:44:19,190 --> 01:44:16,470 touched me in in a threatening manner 2670 01:44:22,760 --> 01:44:19,200 where was it for earlier this year we 2671 01:44:25,100 --> 01:44:22,770 was in the hospital and I'd gone down 2672 01:44:28,100 --> 01:44:25,110 into one of the rooms on my own and as I 2673 01:44:29,750 --> 01:44:28,110 was leaving that room to make sure that 2674 01:44:30,980 --> 01:44:29,760 no one had left any belonging to be out 2675 01:44:33,020 --> 01:44:30,990 it was middle of the night was about 2676 01:44:35,810 --> 01:44:33,030 three o'clock in the morning I felt 2677 01:44:38,480 --> 01:44:35,820 someone smacked me on my ass someone 2678 01:44:39,440 --> 01:44:38,490 physically well my bum and that freaked 2679 01:44:41,600 --> 01:44:39,450 me out 2680 01:44:44,990 --> 01:44:41,610 but not and I just sorta laughed and 2681 01:44:46,190 --> 01:44:45,000 said like you know it's almost a lot the 2682 01:44:49,370 --> 01:44:46,200 best we're putting the willies up 2683 01:44:50,570 --> 01:44:49,380 someone and it just made me laugh and it 2684 01:44:52,490 --> 01:44:50,580 was really funny because there were 2685 01:44:54,380 --> 01:44:52,500 stories about one of the gentlemen 2686 01:44:57,140 --> 01:44:54,390 awaits for the army going back into the 2687 01:44:59,150 --> 01:44:57,150 1700 do is toss it on the sexual and he 2688 01:45:00,710 --> 01:44:59,160 used to such the young boys that that 2689 01:45:02,810 --> 01:45:00,720 went when it down there for medical 2690 01:45:04,399 --> 01:45:02,820 treatment so here I am getting 2691 01:45:06,709 --> 01:45:04,409 all this equipment and I'm walking out 2692 01:45:08,419 --> 01:45:06,719 the door pitch black or something smacks 2693 01:45:13,370 --> 01:45:08,429 me on my bottom so that that made me 2694 01:45:14,930 --> 01:45:13,380 walk a little bit quicker yeah there 2695 01:45:16,550 --> 01:45:14,940 have been some interesting ones that 2696 01:45:19,430 --> 01:45:16,560 that's why I remember going to a house 2697 01:45:20,689 --> 01:45:19,440 blessing before we went in someone said 2698 01:45:23,569 --> 01:45:20,699 to me would you like to do a prayer of 2699 01:45:25,430 --> 01:45:23,579 protection I'm an atheist so I just said 2700 01:45:28,700 --> 01:45:25,440 what use is that gonna do me really 2701 01:45:31,370 --> 01:45:28,710 right as an idiot and I walked into the 2702 01:45:33,649 --> 01:45:31,380 building and the family were dead set in 2703 01:45:36,290 --> 01:45:33,659 front of us but from the right and sad a 2704 01:45:37,580 --> 01:45:36,300 frying pan flew across the room but then 2705 01:45:39,500 --> 01:45:37,590 this with all the lights on as well so 2706 01:45:41,000 --> 01:45:39,510 you can see where everyone stood and it 2707 01:45:43,370 --> 01:45:41,010 narrowly missed my head by about an inch 2708 01:45:44,959 --> 01:45:43,380 and I stepped backwards out in the room 2709 01:45:49,520 --> 01:45:44,969 and said to the guide can you pray for 2710 01:45:51,620 --> 01:45:49,530 me but yeah that was weird and that was 2711 01:45:53,060 --> 01:45:51,630 a that was quite an interesting case 2712 01:45:54,589 --> 01:45:53,070 that because it was an old farmhouse and 2713 01:45:56,870 --> 01:45:54,599 affinity we had stuff going on and they 2714 01:45:59,270 --> 01:45:56,880 called us in and and that that was that 2715 01:46:01,910 --> 01:45:59,280 was freaky you know took a friend with 2716 01:46:04,729 --> 01:46:01,920 me who's Emily involved with the 2717 01:46:05,990 --> 01:46:04,739 spiritual bulletin movement and you know 2718 01:46:07,640 --> 01:46:06,000 and it was a really good night and we 2719 01:46:10,729 --> 01:46:07,650 ended up getting whatever it wasn't now 2720 01:46:13,430 --> 01:46:10,739 white and the family contacted this and 2721 01:46:15,020 --> 01:46:13,440 you know it's a wonderful feeling it's 2722 01:46:17,479 --> 01:46:15,030 really nice now that you've done that so 2723 01:46:20,450 --> 01:46:17,489 that was interesting okay now we've got 2724 01:46:22,220 --> 01:46:20,460 about six minutes left and I mean is 2725 01:46:25,760 --> 01:46:22,230 there anything you want to ask Phil 2726 01:46:27,500 --> 01:46:25,770 anything else well not really I mean you 2727 01:46:32,359 --> 01:46:27,510 mean should just I don't think we've got 2728 01:46:34,459 --> 01:46:32,369 time to cover it now but UFO wise Mike 2729 01:46:36,530 --> 01:46:34,469 you know in in that short time we've got 2730 01:46:39,919 --> 01:46:36,540 life work what do you think lies behind 2731 01:46:42,350 --> 01:46:39,929 that the UFO phenomena ooh interesting 2732 01:46:43,609 --> 01:46:42,360 one I don't know I still think our 2733 01:46:45,770 --> 01:46:43,619 government are doing a lot that we don't 2734 01:46:47,660 --> 01:46:45,780 and I say that because I spend a lot of 2735 01:46:49,760 --> 01:46:47,670 time scramble around these your chair 2736 01:46:51,709 --> 01:46:49,770 looking at farmer bunkers and stuff like 2737 01:46:53,390 --> 01:46:51,719 that so I do know that there is a hidden 2738 01:46:55,280 --> 01:46:53,400 truth you know in that respect there's a 2739 01:46:56,990 --> 01:46:55,290 lot of Cold War relics still hidden 2740 01:46:59,209 --> 01:46:57,000 around these jobs that have not been 2741 01:47:01,430 --> 01:46:59,219 opened to the public and so if they had 2742 01:47:03,890 --> 01:47:01,440 in that is what else are they adding you 2743 01:47:05,629 --> 01:47:03,900 know so I do believe that they know some 2744 01:47:07,550 --> 01:47:05,639 things know what do I think it's 2745 01:47:10,250 --> 01:47:07,560 extraterrestrial I don't know about that 2746 01:47:13,669 --> 01:47:10,260 I'm not sure if they're aliens but I do 2747 01:47:16,250 --> 01:47:13,679 believe this craft in our sky and we 2748 01:47:18,680 --> 01:47:16,260 cannot controls I say 2749 01:47:20,060 --> 01:47:18,690 believes that I watch a lot of the TV 2750 01:47:22,129 --> 01:47:20,070 shows or stuff like that and I've seen 2751 01:47:23,419 --> 01:47:22,139 quite a lot of interesting bits of 2752 01:47:26,209 --> 01:47:23,429 footage I remember years ago watching 2753 01:47:28,399 --> 01:47:26,219 the SDS footage back in the night and 2754 01:47:30,799 --> 01:47:28,409 that used to fasten it they put yeah I 2755 01:47:33,879 --> 01:47:30,809 don't know I honestly do not know that I 2756 01:47:36,319 --> 01:47:33,889 just find it fascinating you know I mean 2757 01:47:38,899 --> 01:47:36,329 I've been following the UFO stuff for 2758 01:47:40,850 --> 01:47:38,909 years now I remember going to a lecture 2759 01:47:42,770 --> 01:47:40,860 with Timothy good and at the end of the 2760 01:47:44,509 --> 01:47:42,780 night he said if anyone wants me to sign 2761 01:47:46,640 --> 01:47:44,519 my new book and Alex returned it with a 2762 01:47:48,979 --> 01:47:46,650 backpack full of his old books and his 2763 01:47:50,660 --> 01:47:48,989 new book and got into Sam a lot I love 2764 01:47:52,790 --> 01:47:50,670 going to all the conferences and stuff 2765 01:47:54,919 --> 01:47:52,800 and meeting people and and years of 2766 01:47:56,479 --> 01:47:54,929 californiaís the rare that it's only 2767 01:47:58,640 --> 01:47:56,489 inside the last two or three years that 2768 01:48:01,370 --> 01:47:58,650 it's become quite well-known and what 2769 01:48:02,540 --> 01:48:01,380 I'm doing and and things like that and I 2770 01:48:04,520 --> 01:48:02,550 just love what set and I don't love me 2771 01:48:07,640 --> 01:48:04,530 in your people you know I mean I grew up 2772 01:48:10,850 --> 01:48:07,650 reading felix articles and seeing him in 2773 01:48:12,229 --> 01:48:10,860 UFO magazine all at alman to a group 2774 01:48:13,580 --> 01:48:12,239 well that sort of stuff so getting to 2775 01:48:15,080 --> 01:48:13,590 meet you at the conference you know 2776 01:48:19,100 --> 01:48:15,090 there's always somebody comes on this 2777 01:48:21,410 --> 01:48:19,110 radio makes me sound really old well it 2778 01:48:29,959 --> 01:48:21,420 is Phil it's actually because as we've 2779 01:48:33,109 --> 01:48:29,969 mentioned before you were salty for me 2780 01:48:36,620 --> 01:48:33,119 well my cold all kinds of things mer but 2781 01:48:38,390 --> 01:48:36,630 never that before I do want my cover a 2782 01:48:41,450 --> 01:48:38,400 you're actually going to come to 2783 01:48:43,819 --> 01:48:41,460 Pontefract next year and get you what 2784 01:48:46,520 --> 01:48:43,829 could possibly be you want an only 2785 01:48:49,430 --> 01:48:46,530 chance to meet Calvin Parker the 2786 01:48:51,680 --> 01:48:49,440 Pascagoula incident and believe me there 2787 01:48:53,569 --> 01:48:51,690 is some fascinating information going to 2788 01:48:55,819 --> 01:48:53,579 come out about this circus I don't know 2789 01:48:57,350 --> 01:48:55,829 about Phillips and there well he's just 2790 01:48:58,729 --> 01:48:57,360 it just found out some more information 2791 01:49:01,819 --> 01:48:58,739 which we're going to bring out a bit 2792 01:49:03,290 --> 01:49:01,829 later day I should think but what what 2793 01:49:05,120 --> 01:49:03,300 to do now Mike because we've got about 2794 01:49:07,490 --> 01:49:05,130 three minutes left so I just wanted to 2795 01:49:09,350 --> 01:49:07,500 say thank you very much for joining us 2796 01:49:11,509 --> 01:49:09,360 tonight I'm ever so sorry about the 2797 01:49:12,979 --> 01:49:11,519 little air technical gremlin that we had 2798 01:49:15,169 --> 01:49:12,989 a little bit earlier on but hopefully 2799 01:49:17,450 --> 01:49:15,179 it's not it's not spoiled anybody's 2800 01:49:20,750 --> 01:49:17,460 enjoyment of the the program this 2801 01:49:22,220 --> 01:49:20,760 evening and on behalf of myself I'd like 2802 01:49:24,379 --> 01:49:22,230 to say thank you very much I'm sure 2803 01:49:26,240 --> 01:49:24,389 Phillip would like to yeah I would Mike 2804 01:49:28,640 --> 01:49:26,250 and I'd like to say all power to UPenn 2805 01:49:29,870 --> 01:49:28,650 may I help Mike common investigates goes 2806 01:49:32,360 --> 01:49:29,880 on for what all 2807 01:49:35,149 --> 01:49:32,370 a lot more years I really do you know 2808 01:49:37,370 --> 01:49:35,159 you know credit Mike and thank you for 2809 01:49:38,390 --> 01:49:37,380 this evening thank you it's been a 2810 01:49:40,790 --> 01:49:38,400 pleasure 2811 01:49:42,370 --> 01:49:40,800 southern Phil what did you think of that 2812 01:49:45,350 --> 01:49:42,380 men speaking with Mike 2813 01:49:48,560 --> 01:49:45,360 well a fascinating crease I mean one of 2814 01:49:50,390 --> 01:49:48,570 the reasons that was a bit quiet you 2815 01:49:53,540 --> 01:49:50,400 know sort of throughout the beginning 2816 01:49:58,640 --> 01:49:53,550 part of the first half anyway is that I 2817 01:50:00,439 --> 01:49:58,650 don't know the gentleman that well so I 2818 01:50:02,270 --> 01:50:00,449 was interested in to listen to what Mike 2819 01:50:05,060 --> 01:50:02,280 had to say you're not met him before and 2820 01:50:07,160 --> 01:50:05,070 we've we've corresponded on email but 2821 01:50:10,879 --> 01:50:07,170 nothing really in-depth and I saw his 2822 01:50:13,040 --> 01:50:10,889 presentation at last year's Outer Limits 2823 01:50:16,160 --> 01:50:13,050 magazine conference so we're just 2824 01:50:18,530 --> 01:50:16,170 interested in hearing more and it shows 2825 01:50:20,240 --> 01:50:18,540 you what what one person can do which 2826 01:50:22,580 --> 01:50:20,250 they've got that interests that drive 2827 01:50:24,500 --> 01:50:22,590 and that passion I mean you know 2828 01:50:26,570 --> 01:50:24,510 Norman's made Mike do what he's done and 2829 01:50:28,910 --> 01:50:26,580 I think he's a great credit to to 2830 01:50:31,729 --> 01:50:28,920 himself I really do yeah I completely 2831 01:50:34,220 --> 01:50:31,739 agree with that and as what Mike 2832 01:50:37,760 --> 01:50:34,230 mentioned during the interview we first 2833 01:50:40,129 --> 01:50:37,770 met up round about people 20 or so years 2834 01:50:42,530 --> 01:50:40,139 ago now you know when he came across the 2835 01:50:45,680 --> 01:50:42,540 little leeway for society you'd say you 2836 01:50:47,870 --> 01:50:45,690 know when I was running that and he is 2837 01:50:51,439 --> 01:50:47,880 fascinated me from day one to be quite 2838 01:50:53,330 --> 01:50:51,449 honest with you and he can't he really 2839 01:50:56,840 --> 01:50:53,340 can't talk and he really does know his 2840 01:50:58,310 --> 01:50:56,850 subject which reminds me you know we've 2841 01:51:01,370 --> 01:50:58,320 got another conference coming up next 2842 01:51:03,709 --> 01:51:01,380 year and we well exactly I mean you know 2843 01:51:06,820 --> 01:51:03,719 at your request we've we've moved it 2844 01:51:08,959 --> 01:51:06,830 from Hull and it's gonna be in in my 2845 01:51:12,490 --> 01:51:08,969 town where I live this time in 2846 01:51:15,169 --> 01:51:12,500 Pontefract and I think we've got a real 2847 01:51:16,459 --> 01:51:15,179 not that the nor disrespect to the other 2848 01:51:19,879 --> 01:51:16,469 line it was but I think they're 2849 01:51:22,939 --> 01:51:19,889 different every year Chris and just you 2850 01:51:24,979 --> 01:51:22,949 know get fascinate you know you can get 2851 01:51:27,290 --> 01:51:24,989 with it without you know being big 2852 01:51:29,120 --> 01:51:27,300 editor or anything like that and I think 2853 01:51:33,530 --> 01:51:29,130 we've got if no matter what your 2854 01:51:34,939 --> 01:51:33,540 interest is in in in the UFO field my 2855 01:51:36,860 --> 01:51:34,949 view is that the the past two 2856 01:51:38,689 --> 01:51:36,870 conferences you've put on and the one 2857 01:51:41,180 --> 01:51:38,699 that's coming up next year there's 2858 01:51:42,830 --> 01:51:41,190 something there for everyone there 2859 01:51:45,200 --> 01:51:42,840 really is 2860 01:51:47,899 --> 01:51:45,210 absolutely a completely agree we have to 2861 01:51:49,850 --> 01:51:47,909 do something different I think every 2862 01:51:51,320 --> 01:51:49,860 year if we do with them every year that 2863 01:51:54,350 --> 01:51:51,330 is you never carry on doing them in the 2864 01:51:57,050 --> 01:51:54,360 future and this year's lineup as you say 2865 01:51:59,350 --> 01:51:57,060 is absolutely fantastic and again we've 2866 01:52:01,790 --> 01:51:59,360 got her we've got an American coming 2867 01:52:03,350 --> 01:52:01,800 well we have I mean I'm you know 2868 01:52:06,310 --> 01:52:03,360 something I'm looking forward to it to 2869 01:52:10,370 --> 01:52:06,320 myself as well we've got Calvin Parker 2870 01:52:12,589 --> 01:52:10,380 from Mississippi his Calvin's first trip 2871 01:52:15,979 --> 01:52:12,599 to the UK as well Chris and it probably 2872 01:52:18,109 --> 01:52:15,989 his last one you know and I can't wait 2873 01:52:19,399 --> 01:52:18,119 well this is a good reason into it for 2874 01:52:20,810 --> 01:52:19,409 people you know 2875 01:52:23,180 --> 01:52:20,820 let's make him welcome because my 2876 01:52:27,080 --> 01:52:23,190 understanding is he's actually turned 2877 01:52:30,020 --> 01:52:27,090 down a trip to MUFON or higher on the 2878 01:52:32,510 --> 01:52:30,030 same day as the Outer Limits magazine 2879 01:52:36,080 --> 01:52:32,520 conference it's actually coming to the 2880 01:52:38,600 --> 01:52:36,090 UK and turning down the trip to where to 2881 01:52:42,470 --> 01:52:38,610 MUFON in in Ohio just to come in and see 2882 01:52:43,939 --> 01:52:42,480 us Oliver ear in the UK but it starts to 2883 01:52:45,140 --> 01:52:43,949 when I mean if you look at the 2884 01:52:47,180 --> 01:52:45,150 difference I'm not talking about the 2885 01:52:49,669 --> 01:52:47,190 crowd or anything like that just in the 2886 01:52:52,580 --> 01:52:49,679 travel alone I mean you know to go to 2887 01:52:54,979 --> 01:52:52,590 Ohio is a relatively short trip on an 2888 01:52:58,729 --> 01:52:54,989 aircraft whereas to come to Pontefract 2889 01:53:01,910 --> 01:52:58,739 it's gotta be you know a full day's 2890 01:53:03,709 --> 01:53:01,920 traveling and a changing the timezone I 2891 01:53:07,129 --> 01:53:03,719 mean he's six hours behind us so he'll 2892 01:53:09,979 --> 01:53:07,139 have jet lag as well yeah but you know 2893 01:53:12,680 --> 01:53:09,989 we did give him the option and we 2894 01:53:15,200 --> 01:53:12,690 wouldn't blame him if he depict Ohio but 2895 01:53:17,510 --> 01:53:15,210 he said no I've made a commitment to 2896 01:53:22,280 --> 01:53:17,520 come to Pontefract I'm a man of my word 2897 01:53:24,290 --> 01:53:22,290 which it is and he's coming and there's 2898 01:53:26,120 --> 01:53:24,300 nothing will stop him as well as far as 2899 01:53:28,790 --> 01:53:26,130 I can tell anyway that's absolutely 2900 01:53:32,050 --> 01:53:28,800 brilliant so I wish the book going Phil 2901 01:53:35,510 --> 01:53:32,060 is his story how is that going 2902 01:53:38,390 --> 01:53:35,520 I mean I published or republish there 2903 01:53:40,339 --> 01:53:38,400 should say Charles Hickson I'm William 2904 01:53:43,879 --> 01:53:40,349 Mendes book which originally came out in 2905 01:53:45,770 --> 01:53:43,889 1983 and I got there obtained the rights 2906 01:53:47,660 --> 01:53:45,780 to it and republished it now when I was 2907 01:53:53,390 --> 01:53:47,670 in the process of that I knew that 2908 01:53:55,010 --> 01:53:53,400 Charles Hickson had died in 2011 and I 2909 01:53:56,629 --> 01:53:55,020 thought be nice just around the book off 2910 01:53:59,029 --> 01:53:56,639 maybe with an interview with Calvin 2911 01:54:01,429 --> 01:53:59,039 so I set out to try and find him took me 2912 01:54:06,049 --> 01:54:01,439 a few months but in the end when I did 2913 01:54:10,850 --> 01:54:06,059 lo and behold he it just decided him and 2914 01:54:14,479 --> 01:54:10,860 his wife to do his own book so you know 2915 01:54:17,899 --> 01:54:14,489 the stars aligned in that respect so I 2916 01:54:19,759 --> 01:54:17,909 helped him produce the book Alex Dume 2917 01:54:23,000 --> 01:54:19,769 you know exceptionally well it became an 2918 01:54:25,879 --> 01:54:23,010 Amazon bestseller it's out in Kindle 2919 01:54:29,779 --> 01:54:25,889 it's out with an audio book is coming 2920 01:54:32,540 --> 01:54:29,789 out in Japanese and Spanish and German 2921 01:54:35,239 --> 01:54:32,550 and I'm talking to other countries as 2922 01:54:37,310 --> 01:54:35,249 well so it's gone far better then than 2923 01:54:39,589 --> 01:54:37,320 any of us ever expected but you know 2924 01:54:41,029 --> 01:54:39,599 that's just the way it goes and no 2925 01:54:42,620 --> 01:54:41,039 Calvin's over the moon with it 2926 01:54:44,209 --> 01:54:42,630 and and that that's all that matters 2927 01:54:46,279 --> 01:54:44,219 really that's that's the most important 2928 01:54:48,379 --> 01:54:46,289 thing is that he's happy with what we've 2929 01:54:51,259 --> 01:54:48,389 produced absolutely doesn't this just 2930 01:54:53,419 --> 01:54:51,269 sure that despite what some people say 2931 01:54:55,549 --> 01:54:53,429 that there is no interest anymore for 2932 01:54:57,620 --> 01:54:55,559 this subject you know the fact that he's 2933 01:54:59,479 --> 01:54:57,630 gone out into all of those countries and 2934 01:55:01,429 --> 01:54:59,489 you're still talking to other countries 2935 01:55:03,709 --> 01:55:01,439 publishers you know that there is still 2936 01:55:07,129 --> 01:55:03,719 an interest in a quest for knowledge 2937 01:55:09,259 --> 01:55:07,139 within this field absolutely and I mean 2938 01:55:11,179 --> 01:55:09,269 Calvin did another TV show yesterday 2939 01:55:13,520 --> 01:55:11,189 that's coming out in January it's done a 2940 01:55:16,850 --> 01:55:13,530 couple of interviews already there are 2941 01:55:19,699 --> 01:55:16,860 other TV production companies you know 2942 01:55:21,919 --> 01:55:19,709 look looking for his services he's never 2943 01:55:23,500 --> 01:55:21,929 really lectured at UFO conferences 2944 01:55:26,089 --> 01:55:23,510 before but I think he's got now 2945 01:55:28,729 --> 01:55:26,099 including the one in Pontefract I think 2946 01:55:30,949 --> 01:55:28,739 he's got six on his list quite quite 2947 01:55:32,750 --> 01:55:30,959 literally today he turned one down 2948 01:55:35,509 --> 01:55:32,760 because he already has something booked 2949 01:55:38,149 --> 01:55:35,519 and that was for November of next year 2950 01:55:41,479 --> 01:55:38,159 yeah and again he's looking forward to 2951 01:55:43,189 --> 01:55:41,489 it Chris absolutely brilliant now not 2952 01:55:44,959 --> 01:55:43,199 that we just want to concentrate on 2953 01:55:46,790 --> 01:55:44,969 Calvin we certainly don't let's just 2954 01:55:48,799 --> 01:55:46,800 mention or else we've got good about 2955 01:55:51,199 --> 01:55:48,809 three minutes left of the program so 2956 01:55:53,629 --> 01:55:51,209 Malcolm Robinson he's going to be 2957 01:55:56,419 --> 01:55:53,639 talking about is it the DECA manhua the 2958 01:55:58,189 --> 01:55:56,429 the Bob Taylor incident there that's 2959 01:56:00,350 --> 01:55:58,199 right at Livingston I mean you know I 2960 01:56:03,109 --> 01:56:00,360 was fortunate that some years ago to 2961 01:56:07,639 --> 01:56:03,119 travel up to Scotland and to interview 2962 01:56:10,070 --> 01:56:07,649 Robert Taylor and you know a more honest 2963 01:56:12,590 --> 01:56:10,080 man you could never wish to me Chris 2964 01:56:15,020 --> 01:56:12,600 damn you know what Malcolm's doing he's 2965 01:56:17,270 --> 01:56:15,030 put everything into the book about not 2966 01:56:18,950 --> 01:56:17,280 only about the case but all the theories 2967 01:56:20,810 --> 01:56:18,960 behind it as well as there's lots of 2968 01:56:23,680 --> 01:56:20,820 different theories trying to explain it 2969 01:56:25,700 --> 01:56:23,690 so this is certainly going to be then a 2970 01:56:27,860 --> 01:56:25,710 subject that people if they have an 2971 01:56:30,320 --> 01:56:27,870 interest in anything claim that you know 2972 01:56:31,520 --> 01:56:30,330 any famous British UFO logical case that 2973 01:56:33,200 --> 01:56:31,530 they really need to get to the outer 2974 01:56:35,540 --> 01:56:33,210 limits magazine conference next year to 2975 01:56:37,370 --> 01:56:35,550 listen to this absolutely I mean I've 2976 01:56:39,830 --> 01:56:37,380 heard Malcolm speak about this incident 2977 01:56:41,860 --> 01:56:39,840 before and it again it never ceases to 2978 01:56:44,210 --> 01:56:41,870 amaze me what it comes up with 2979 01:56:47,090 --> 01:56:44,220 absolutely and of course we have their 2980 01:56:48,470 --> 01:56:47,100 Phillip Kinsella and east coming along 2981 01:56:49,820 --> 01:56:48,480 as well I I'm not hundred percent of 2982 01:56:56,090 --> 01:56:49,830 certain what Philips going to be talking 2983 01:56:57,590 --> 01:56:56,100 about at the moment unless the topic of 2984 01:57:00,170 --> 01:56:57,600 the air the conference which is the 2985 01:57:02,210 --> 01:57:00,180 closest of encounters so all I can tell 2986 01:57:04,250 --> 01:57:02,220 you right now folks well all I know is 2987 01:57:06,050 --> 01:57:04,260 that Phillip Sally's own encounters yeah 2988 01:57:08,390 --> 01:57:06,060 so I think that's going to be a big part 2989 01:57:11,290 --> 01:57:08,400 of what he talks about and we've covered 2990 01:57:13,910 --> 01:57:11,300 that on inside our limits we thought 2991 01:57:15,080 --> 01:57:13,920 it'll be able to go into more detail and 2992 01:57:17,090 --> 01:57:15,090 you'll be able to speak to the man 2993 01:57:18,830 --> 01:57:17,100 himself and put a few questions to him 2994 01:57:21,170 --> 01:57:18,840 as well well that's brilliant of course 2995 01:57:23,840 --> 01:57:21,180 we've got a gentleman who was returning 2996 01:57:26,170 --> 01:57:23,850 for the third time in three conferences 2997 01:57:29,810 --> 01:57:26,180 Paul Sinclair he's going to be 2998 01:57:33,350 --> 01:57:29,820 discussing a lot more incidents going on 2999 01:57:35,990 --> 01:57:33,360 in the bridlington area and again he's a 3000 01:57:38,030 --> 01:57:36,000 guy he's a man who fascinates and yes 3001 01:57:40,280 --> 01:57:38,040 you can see the love that he asks for 3002 01:57:43,400 --> 01:57:40,290 the subject by how he presents it well 3003 01:57:44,270 --> 01:57:43,410 Paul's a man on a mission it is out in 3004 01:57:49,550 --> 01:57:44,280 the field 3005 01:57:52,220 --> 01:57:49,560 of dawn in all weathers because whatever 3006 01:57:54,260 --> 01:57:52,230 the phenomena is it is manifesting 3007 01:57:57,260 --> 01:57:54,270 itself in the region where he lives and 3008 01:57:59,120 --> 01:57:57,270 and Paul's determined to get you know to 3009 01:58:03,080 --> 01:57:59,130 the bottom of it I've seen both these 3010 01:58:05,030 --> 01:58:03,090 presentations previously and and the you 3011 01:58:06,440 --> 01:58:05,040 know the the story and the saga 3012 01:58:10,190 --> 01:58:06,450 surrounding where he lives just 3013 01:58:12,530 --> 01:58:10,200 continues and again you know as a UFO 3014 01:58:15,080 --> 01:58:12,540 researcher I personally can't wait to 3015 01:58:16,700 --> 01:58:15,090 hear not just Paul but all of them you 3016 01:58:19,040 --> 01:58:16,710 know I think I don't think we could have 3017 01:58:20,750 --> 01:58:19,050 picked a better line up I think this is 3018 01:58:23,399 --> 01:58:20,760 going to be a very very special event 3019 01:58:25,470 --> 01:58:23,409 and to be quite honest with you Phil you 3020 01:58:26,939 --> 01:58:25,480 I think people need to wear start 3021 01:58:28,620 --> 01:58:26,949 getting the tickets because once we get 3022 01:58:31,410 --> 01:58:28,630 into the New Year I can see this is 3023 01:58:33,720 --> 01:58:31,420 going to fill up very very quickly as we 3024 01:58:36,810 --> 01:58:33,730 say especially Calvin coming over for 3025 01:58:38,850 --> 01:58:36,820 what could be a one and only well once 3026 01:58:41,010 --> 01:58:38,860 in a lifetime events put it bluntly I 3027 01:58:43,530 --> 01:58:41,020 agree with you Chris and I reckon that 3028 01:58:45,300 --> 01:58:43,540 the this next year's common of those 3029 01:58:46,640 --> 01:58:45,310 confidences that people still talk about 3030 01:58:49,020 --> 01:58:46,650 in years to come 3031 01:58:51,120 --> 01:58:49,030 they can say can you remember when we 3032 01:58:53,220 --> 01:58:51,130 were in Pontefract and the shoulders 3033 01:58:55,350 --> 01:58:53,230 this and the shoulders that and and you 3034 01:58:58,110 --> 01:58:55,360 know so there you go that's brilliant 3035 01:59:01,560 --> 01:58:58,120 well just before we join an arena and 3036 01:59:03,240 --> 01:59:01,570 Mark on the paranormal radio a UK radio 3037 01:59:06,270 --> 01:59:03,250 show we're actually going to say goodbye 3038 01:59:08,580 --> 01:59:06,280 to everybody and just before we do just 3039 01:59:10,350 --> 01:59:08,590 to put a quick reminder well we got next 3040 01:59:14,430 --> 01:59:10,360 Phil coming up isn't it the man himself 3041 01:59:17,850 --> 01:59:14,440 it is we've booked Calvin Parker for our 3042 01:59:20,220 --> 01:59:17,860 for a two-hour interview and I mean I 3043 01:59:22,649 --> 01:59:20,230 say interview Calvin's a great 3044 01:59:24,930 --> 01:59:22,659 storyteller on a raconteur so basically 3045 01:59:26,310 --> 01:59:24,940 just ask him his name Chris and then sit 3046 01:59:27,899 --> 01:59:26,320 back and go and watch the telly for a 3047 01:59:30,180 --> 01:59:27,909 couple of hours and leave him to it you 3048 01:59:31,500 --> 01:59:30,190 know there'll be no stopping him I can 3049 01:59:34,320 --> 01:59:31,510 assure you but he is a he is a 3050 01:59:36,660 --> 01:59:34,330 fascinating individual in himself he's a 3051 01:59:39,720 --> 01:59:36,670 person in life as well if he has indeed 3052 01:59:42,209 --> 01:59:39,730 he has indeed right Phil thanks very 3053 01:59:44,760 --> 01:59:42,219 much again for be my co-host on the show